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Good Coffee Is Now Bad

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Re: Good Coffee Is Now Bad

#11

coffee, when done well, is much better at home i use a french press and the "hoffmann method". grounds go in the press, pour in boiling water. wait a couple minutes and stir gently. scoop off the foam. steep for a total of 5-7 minutes. press and pour. i cant imagine paying $5 for a cup of subpar coffee.

That's a false dichotomy for me. If I am near my french press, I will never pay for a cup of coffee. However, if I am not near an available french press, i.e. on the road, I have no other choice than to buy a cup of coffee, unless I pass on coffee entirely. But since I can't really whip out my french press in an airport, I still occasionally pay too much for mediocre coffee.

Re: Good Coffee Is Now Bad

#12
Even 'bad' coffee is now bad. I have a Krispy Kreme and Dunkin 5 minutes from my house and the quality has hit rock bottom since 2020. It's not even that cheap!

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The reason for the high price of a cup of coffee (compared to its "production" costs) is that there's no other way to keep the business afloat. Almost no specialty coffee shop makes its money out of selling pastries or even "hipsterish" breakfasts (no matter how good, and some of them are really excellent), but out of selling coffee at many times said "production" costs.

If you don't do that you can't pay the high rent (because you need to open the place where people would come, not in the middle of nowhere), and then you can't pay salaries. In that order. Paying for the product that you're actually selling is the least of one's worries, so in that respect I can't actually understand that nickel-and-diming about buying the cheapest possible coffee the author mentions, but most probably those people have run their numbers, so they must be right. I'd say those coffee cups sellers managed to save a lot more money by doing business out of those trailer-like thingies (of which the article has a photo of) instead of renting a real coffee shop location.

And last but not least, good coffee culture is (happily) still alive and well over most of Eastern and Central Europe capitals and big-ish cities, I highly recommend the area for those crazy enough to visit some place just to drink good coffee. Bucharest (from I'm from), Bratislava, Prague with its Vinohrady area (excellent breakfasts on top of the good coffee, just excellent), Vienna, Cluj, Budapest (I've not yet been there, but I've heard very nice things about the coffee they sell) are just excellent places to visit if one's into that.

For comparison, in most of Western Europe capitals you have to hunt like a coffee-obsessed crazy person until you get to anywhere that is serving anything other than Lavazza (with Madrid and its Chamberi area a nice exception).

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post #7

coffee, when done well, is much better at home i use a french press and the "hoffmann method". grounds go in the press, pour in boiling water. wait a couple minutes and stir gently. scoop off the foam. steep for a total of 5-7 minutes. press and pour. i cant imagine paying $5 for a cup of subpar coffee.

two things: (1) depending on how good you are, you'll be better than X% of the coffee shops out there. but the converse applies too: somewhere out there, i'd bet, there is a coffee shop making coffee as good or even better than your own. (2) a least half the pleasure in going to a coffee shop is going to the coffee shop . it's nice to get out and experience some of the community around you!

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People expect more from everything as time goes on. I remember the days when In N' Out was unanimously considered one of the best fast food chain burgers. Though they still get long lines, I've polled people recently about it, and most seem to think that In N' Out is somewhat beneath them because so many places sell "gourmet" burgers now.

I try to enjoy the simple things in life because snobbery, while a bit of it is not necessarily a bad thing, isn't sustainable.

Re: Good Coffee Is Now Bad

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post #7

coffee, when done well, is much better at home i use a french press and the "hoffmann method". grounds go in the press, pour in boiling water. wait a couple minutes and stir gently. scoop off the foam. steep for a total of 5-7 minutes. press and pour. i cant imagine paying $5 for a cup of subpar coffee.

two things: (1) depending on how good you are, you'll be better than X% of the coffee shops out there. but the converse applies too: somewhere out there, i'd bet, there is a coffee shop making coffee as good or even better than your own. (2) a least half the pleasure in going to a coffee shop is going to the coffee shop . it's nice to get out and experience some of the community around you!

> somewhere out there, i'd bet, there is a coffee shop making coffee as good or even better than your own.

I doubt the "better" part for people preferring the french press. It is not a complicated method. Now there might be one with better beans, but that’s always the case.

> a least half the pleasure in going to a coffee shop is going to the coffee shop.

Heh, depends, for me that does not sound like pleasure at all ;)

Re: Good Coffee Is Now Bad

#17
Starbucks makes delicious cappuccinos and mocha espressos probably by dumping a month's worth of recommended daily allowances of sugar in them. But they are yummie.

Their house blend drip coffee of various roasts, however, is burnt. Starbuck's signature flavor for their drip coffee is burned coffee. I don't know how Starbucks thought that burning their coffee was a novel idea, and I don't know how anyone can drink it.

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#18
Good coffee is good business.

It is in the best interest of a gas station to serve good coffee because it keeps customers coming back to buy other things. Coffee is so profitable they can afford to use good beans. Not every gas station has good coffee (the 7/11 downtown is awful), but the one nearest to me is pretty good.

As for Starbucks they closed the store near my office to spite the union. Before that they had the strange policy that you couldn’t walk in and order a coffee but instead had to order ahead on a mobile app which turned me off. That area is a ‘coffee desert’ the way Manhattan was in the 1990s.

Back then there seemed to be 2 or 3 Starbucks on every block, I think they were trying to fool financial people into thinking that the whole country was full of Starbucks. Independent coffee shops were driven out of business and you could not get a good cup of coffee anywhere in Manhattan.

At that time, however, you could already find a decent espresso bar in a one horse town in a flyover state, even if getting any food other than pizza, subs, and greasy Chinese food was a struggle.

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#19

Starbucks makes delicious cappuccinos and mocha espressos probably by dumping a month's worth of recommended daily allowances of sugar in them. But they are yummie. Their house blend drip coffee of various roasts, however, is burnt. Starbuck's signature flavor for their drip coffee is burned coffee. I don't know how Starbucks thought that burning their coffee was a novel idea, and I don't know how anyone can drink it…

The 7/11 across from where the Starbucks used to be is worse.

Re: Good Coffee Is Now Bad

#20
Theres this Orwell piece that just absolutely resonates with me.

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwel...

My favourite bit in there is:

> All the organs of his body were working –bowels digesting food, skin renewing itself, nails growing, tissues forming–all toiling away in solemn foolery. His nails would still be growing when he stood on the drop, when he was falling through the air with a tenth of a second to live.

I'm not the type to turn away from a nice, refined experience; provided it isn't so expensive as to lead me to feel bad about the economics of it all. So I like a wonderful coffee bean, a nice pull, and all that jazz.

But across the vast expanse that is human existence, I really do not understand snobbery when it comes to the trivialities in life. That guy Orwell was writing about, moments before his hanging was complete, I don't think he or anyone around him cared too much about where they got their coffee that morning.

There are more important things to life.

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