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Re: American Data Privacy and Protection Act

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Post by jdp23 »

rt4mn wrote: post #166
nugget wrote: post #131

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Preemption would be an enormous mistake. Federal legislation moves at a glacial pace. In a field like privacy, you may only get to pass one substantial bill every 10 or 15 years. Technology moves too quickly for lawmakers at the Federal level to keep up. States can move much faster. Justice Brandeis popularized the phrase that "[the] states are the laboratories of democracy" and digital privacy law is a text book cas…

This is exactly why Microsoft has been throwing money at lobbyists at the state level as well, pushing shitty "consumer privacy bills", both because they don't like strong legal privacy rights at the state level, but also in the hopes of forestalling and kneecapping a strong federal baseline privacy bill. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/tech-lobbyists-are-pus...

Yep. We've fought them off here in Washington ... but they and Amazon just took it to other, more pliable states. Todd Feathers and Albert Ng had a very good article on this in The Markup a few months ago https://themarkup.org/privacy/2022/05/26/tech-industry-group...

Re: American Data Privacy and Protection Act

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Post by oaiey »

robust-cactus wrote: post #47

Not sure what y'all are complaining about. The amount of privacy work that happens with governments at big tech companies is substantial. The language in this doc seems like a better, less oppressive version of GDPR.

I find the gdpr is much easier to read than this.

Re: American Data Privacy and Protection Act

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Post by colpabar »

olyjohn wrote: post #115
michaelmior wrote: post #28

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Users don't like a company, they automatically spam the company with large numbers of requests for personal information which they would legally be required to provide.

Guess they'd better figure out how to get people their data in a more rapid manner. I guess they could use a computer or something to automate it so that users can just click a button to download their data. I mean, what year is this? We've been hearing "automate it, automate it, etc" for years and years now. But to get your personal data, these companies just throw up their hands and say that it's too hard?

I couldn't agree more. Even if it does require a person to do something that isn't automated, they should be required to have people on staff whose first priority is responding to these requests. It seems ridiculous to me that people are claiming this is just too hard for a company so they should get to profit off of it.

It's our data, dammit!

Re: American Data Privacy and Protection Act

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Post by rolph »

laweijfmvo wrote: post #82
weberer wrote: post #27

You can also see which companies sent lobbyists to work on this bill. https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/bills/summary?c...

The first thing to know about US Laws/Bills is that whatever they name it, it typically achieves the opposite

this is because the title of a bill has very little to do with the function of the bill turned law.

obfusication of a bills content and intention by using a dissociative title must stop

Re: American Data Privacy and Protection Act

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Post by weberer »

cphoover wrote: post #133
shadowgovt wrote: post #51

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Standardization was attempted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track the tl;dr for that story is that it wasn't mandated to be honored, the industry didn't voluntarily adopt it widely, and when IE 10 tried to turn it on by default and the standard's lead supporter responded by submitting a patch to Apache web server to ignore the DNT signal coming from IE 10 because "does not protect anyone's privacy unless the…

I wonder if a browser plugin that utilizes AI would work as a sidestep to a standardized cookie dialog. Granted someone would have to build such a tool and standardization seems inevitable at some point. Shouldn't be too difficult to build something like that.

There's a browser plugin called uMatrix that lets you block cookies and javascript on a per-site basis. I just have it blocking all cookies by default unless its a site I need to log in to.

Re: American Data Privacy and Protection Act

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Post by vinay_ys »

rt4mn wrote: post #162
jdp23 wrote: post #151

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There's been some good reporting on the lobbying on ADPPA What Microsoft, IBM and others won as the privacy bill evolved - https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/policy/cloud-enterprise... Privacy bill triggers lobbying surge by data brokers - Privacy bill triggers lobbying surge by data brokers

Microsoft has been a particularly bad actor in this space. They have been hiring lobbyists to advocate at the state level for shitty "consumer privacy bills", specifically because they want to forestall and kneecap federal legislation. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/tech-lobbyists-are-pus...

What's Microsoft's interest in this? They don't have a big search or ads business. What are they doing with Consumer data?

Re: American Data Privacy and Protection Act

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Post by [deleted] »

hatware wrote: post #145
matai_kolila wrote: post #126

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Literally none of those things are real as actually described in the novel. Keeping a diary is punishable by death (that's the premise of the entire story), it's kind of silly to compare that with our lives today.

In ~20 years you'll see how silly you are for welcoming totalitarianism. You won't care until it effects you. And then it will be too late for you to do anything about it.

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Re: American Data Privacy and Protection Act

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Post by matai_kolila »

hatware wrote: post #145
matai_kolila wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally none of those things are real as actually described in the novel. Keeping a diary is punishable by death (that's the premise of the entire story), it's kind of silly to compare that with our lives today.

In ~20 years you'll see how silly you are for welcoming totalitarianism. You won't care until it effects you. And then it will be too late for you to do anything about it.

Welcoming, not welcoming; you don't know my position on totalitarianism, you just know I've read 1984 and have opinions about the validity of parallels with modern day.

For all you know I prefer "Brave New World" analogies!

Re: American Data Privacy and Protection Act

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Post by vinay_ys »

randomdata wrote: post #121
chitowneats wrote: post #80

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It's insane enough letting Big Corps lobby your legislature and even write language that eventually gets enshrined as law. It's even more insane we allow the state-affiliated entities of our adversaries to do this.

> It's insane enough letting Big Corps lobby your legislature Well, it would be rather pointless to elect to hire a representative to represent you and then not take time to make your position known with them. They certainly are not mind readers. And you can't realistically remove big businesses from citizenry as those who are stakeholders in big business are going to bias their position to what benefits their busine…

Isn't it the job of the representatives in a representational democracy to have working mechanisms to understand what their constituents' demands are? Shouldn't such mechanisms be equally accessible to all constituents irrespective of their ability to spend $$?

Also, don't the representatives have pre-election issues based manifesto when they are seeking votes to get elected? Shouldn't they stay true to the promises they made?

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