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I can't help but wonder if large families also beget religion just as religion begets large families. Now I personally think every religion I've encountered is ridiculous fiction (no offence, just my opinion), but I will admit that there can be some pretty significant advantages in a community. Raising a ton of kids is probably just easier in a close community of similar minded families (a.k.a. the local church/templ…
Religion is subject to natural selection just like anything else. Religions which produce more offspring that stay in the religion will always win out over the ones that don't.
Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN for the future
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Re: Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN for the future
#32There are no resource limits, only limits to the creativity of people to create explanations that allow us to transform raw materials from one state to another. See The Beginning of Infinity by Deutsch and More From Less by McAfee.
Re: Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN for the future
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Yeah, that will be a problem for sure. We will get a preview of it in Asia.
Despite all the fearmongering and wailing and gnashing of teeth, Japan is doing okay with a shrinking population.
Re: Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN for the future
#34There are no resource limits, only limits to the creativity of people to create explanations that allow us to transform raw materials from one state to another. See The Beginning of Infinity by Deutsch and More From Less by McAfee.
This is false. There are resource limits, unfortunately (I guess?). Thermodynamics is a hard limit. There are many soft limits as well. Please look at this paper for an incredibly well researched physics-based review: (to appear in Nature Physics) https://tmurphy.physics.ucsd.edu/papers/limits-econ-final.pd...
> At present, the waste heat term is about four orders of magnitude smaller than the solar term. But at a growth factor of ten per century, they would reach parity in roughly 400 years. Indeed, the surface temperature of Earth would reach the boiling point of water (373 K) in just over 400 years under this relentless prescription. Clearly, extrapolating our recent — seemingly modest — 2.3% annual energy growth very far into the future quickly becomes ridiculous, and cannot happen.
> This is not intended to suggest that waste heat is a bigger problem than, say, climate change from carbon dioxide emissions (...)
Re: Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN for the future
#35There are no resource limits, only limits to the creativity of people to create explanations that allow us to transform raw materials from one state to another. See The Beginning of Infinity by Deutsch and More From Less by McAfee.
This is false. There are resource limits, unfortunately (I guess?). Thermodynamics is a hard limit. There are many soft limits as well. Please look at this paper for an incredibly well researched physics-based review: (to appear in Nature Physics) https://tmurphy.physics.ucsd.edu/papers/limits-econ-final.pd...
Re: Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN for the future
#36> What can be done to minimize the chances of colossal failure or sub-systemic breakdown, which in the worst case could threaten preservation of science and human knowledge?
It seems like the two extremes are degrowth and malthus on the one hand, and haughty denialist expansionism on the other. One is borderline eugenicist and denies billions of people of our american/european standard of living. The other is naive and stupid and ignores the fact that we humans are capable of wielding planetwide power.
The same strain of thinking that lets someone imagine himself as a tiny speck inconsequential to the cosmos, leads to denial that our species can affect the biosphere we live in. There’s a lack of context and of material security and of a culture of cultivating peace and mutual support.
I think there’s a middle ground which acknowledges our need for stewardship, for human-in-the-loop systems level thinking about how we can garden our planet into a sustainable system that is not only able to support us but also helps us to thrive and to enjoy in the miracle of existence.
We have to take stock of what we’re doing that isn’t working, and push for long term success in renewables, efficient human living, beauty in our proximate environments (not just faraway nature preserves). And we have to reckon with needing to mine huge amounts of materials in order to manufacture things like batteries and solar panels to make all this happen.
Ultimately I think we’ll continue to make progress in exactly these goals and it’s important to not lose hope, and to try to positively affect those around you (especially young folks, children are the future).
Re: Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN for the future
#37There are no resource limits, only limits to the creativity of people to create explanations that allow us to transform raw materials from one state to another. See The Beginning of Infinity by Deutsch and More From Less by McAfee.
This is false. There are resource limits, unfortunately (I guess?). Thermodynamics is a hard limit. There are many soft limits as well. Please look at this paper for an incredibly well researched physics-based review: (to appear in Nature Physics) https://tmurphy.physics.ucsd.edu/papers/limits-econ-final.pd...
Re: Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN for the future
#38There are no resource limits, only limits to the creativity of people to create explanations that allow us to transform raw materials from one state to another. See The Beginning of Infinity by Deutsch and More From Less by McAfee.
Re: Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN for the future
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
They have a long fall ahead of them. https://www.ipss.go.jp/site-ad/index_english/esuikei/econ2.h... ). Going from 128m in 2010 to 87m in 2060.
And despite the wailing and gnashing of teeth, they'll probably continue do fine, as they have since their population leveled out 30 years ago. The doomsday predictions haven't just started now, and they weren't only about events in 2060. They started decades ago about population growth slowing, population leveling, population dropping. They've been pretty consistently wrong.