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Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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This happens because of how Microsoft approaches product development and design. On many product teams, PMs end up doing not only the product design decisions but even designs much of the products themselves. This works for them because it focuses product cycles on releasing what "matters" to the customer, but it ends up cutting craft and quality. This makes their products poor to use, but is also what drives revenue…

I suggest that Teams only gets used because it’s included in the enormous license that companies buy for Exchange and/or Office and the most popular alternative has its own fees. Large companies don’t want to fork over another licensing fee in the tens of thousands of dollars for Slack when they’re getting Teams “free.”

Exactly. Nobody likes it. We use it because we have to. We have to because it was already paid for.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Pretty simple root cause: Bureaucracy combined with lack of shared vision. I support your need to vent, it's undisputably a magnificently huge pile of stinky garbage. Given the amount of resources poured in, it'd be hard to do worse.

What's particularly sad is that they're just cloning an existing thing. The "vision" need be nothing more than "see this, make something exactly like it that works". Google made similar mistakes with Google Chat but thankfully nobody uses that.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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I've had many critical bugs, including the video on/off & audio mute button failing during calls, the "join call" UI being broken / missing, join links being broken despite working for other callers.

I don't honestly think they are taking responsibility for quality issues or feedback.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Because they have no boring Enterprise competitor. Why invest in something you don’t have to compete on because you know the competitor will always be better, but your price is what eats their marketshare.

They compete on price with companies that don’t give a shit about employees. Which is most.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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It's a natural side effect of adoption. Slack and other messaging apps are typically adopted organically by the end-user . They are "sold" via good product experience. Teams on the other hand is adopted by IT administrators who receive the product bundled an appreciate the ease of activation over the user experience.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Is it bad? It's the best meeting tool my company has ever used.

The things you're asking it to do seem normal, but each of those things is a different device with a different context. It's not surprising to me that it's hard to switch contexts.

I regularly start meetings on my home WiFi and then get in a vehicle and switch to cellular data. I've only have had short interruptions, which is MUCH better than most tools I've used.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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At least it doesn’t totally change the UI and hide all important elements when you start a screen share (Zoom).

My experience has been pretty positive overall, at least for calling. Channels don’t work as well as slack, but it’s decent.

The big trick is to run it in a browser so you avoid any electron overhead. It is fully featured in browser.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

#70
I use teams, slack and zoom for video conferencing. Of all of them zoom is the best imho. (Not that I'm a fan of any of them). It seems to just work the most. Slack has weird issues with screen sharing only working sometimes apart from that it's not bad. Teams randomly doesn't launch and for the past month the calendar integration has vanished with no sign of return. Why are they so bad? It's Microsoft. Everything they do is bad these days. Hell earlier today I tried to block pushes from admins to a GitHub repo could I find the button? Nope. In Gitlab it's a drop-down. [/endrant]
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