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Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by abawany »

turtlebits wrote: post #116
kyrra wrote: post #102

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Googler, opinions are my own. Google definitely has not lost interest. The Chromebook team at Google is actually involved in almost (all?) Chromebooks made. Since Google is responsible for all firmware/software updates for the life of that Chromebook, they are involved in that way. As well, the hardware/firmware teams here do a lot of the core engineering to getting the core parts of the hardware working (motherboard…

Sorry, I'm not sure I believe this. I have a Pixelbook that still gets ChromeOS updates regularly- the Android and "Linux on ChromeOS" features are still half baked. After wakeup - Android apps hang or show empty windows, Terminal takes minutes to work, and a reboot usually fixes everything. (This is after a powerwash and being on the stable channel)

I agree - some of the updates I've received have been so half baked, including the Android apps forever-hang, that I wondered if anyone real was involved in this release. I finally got rid of my chromebook for a pittance because I just got tired of the mess.

Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by washadjeffmad »

skybrian wrote: post #91
kilovoltaire wrote: post #34

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sounds like the page should say "at least eight years" then, instead of "up to eight years"

A specific date would be better, because otherwise it’s ambiguous. Eight years starting when?

Google provides specific support dates on its Pixel and Chromebook devices. For instance, under "About ChromeOS", mine says, "This device will get automatic software and security updates until 2027."

https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366?visit_id=...

Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by pgray »

nrp wrote: post #82
travisby wrote: post #56

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I'm a huge chromebook fan actually -- but my current one is looking a tad unsupported (pixel slate) I've been considering a framework as a replacement actually! One of the things I really care about is battery life + sleep performance. The article mentions: > .* At the same time, the Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition is our most power efficient product yet with optimizations from Google and Intel that allow for lon…

Google has fairly strict requirements around power consumption. They have a standard test for 10 hours of active use through common use cases, which we were able to meet. For standby, the requirement is around 14 days. I have to double check where we are on the current software and firmware, but we are close to that number. We actually did learn some things about the Intel re-timers through this product development t…

This is awesome news. Excited the collaboration will have some nice side effects.

Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

jagrsw wrote: post #128
duped wrote: post #83

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I think the question is, why ChromeOS instead of a Linux?

Biased opinion here (working for Google). I love Linux and I would consider myself a power user (understanding HW arch, working with kernel sources). Basic Chromebook apps (+ Play Store) are something that "just work" for 80% of time for my use-cases (which is, browser and ssh-ing into a power machine in ze cloud/DC). I also have rather good understanding of threat models here, and the quality of the sandboxes and HW…

I'm the poster of the original comment, and I don't work for Google, but your comment pretty much summed up perfectly my thoughts as well, and is a big reason why I'm a ChromeOS fan.

Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

afandian wrote: post #140
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #68

This is awesome! I still use my Pixelbook, and I love it, and was always dismayed that it seemed to be yet another great product that Google lost interest in. For folks wondering "who's the market in this?", the Linux container support in ChromeOS is awesome - my Pixelbook was actually a great dev laptop (I ran postgres, VSCode, Node, etc on it), just with age it's lack of upgrades is starting to show. So for me, on…

How well does it work if you don't have a Google account?

It doesn't.

Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by michaelt »

TillE wrote: post #107
ISL wrote: post #52

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The older I get, the less I care about which distribution comes on a linux laptop. The fact that it exists at all is a reason to consider the model. A production linux laptop is a clear statement, "All of our hardware is immediately compatible with linux. Sure, our distro has little warts, but you can either install your own or `apt-get install fluxbox`, copy in your config files, and get right to work, ISL."

I don't think it's a very big deal to say "yes, we're fully compatible with Ubuntu" and let you spend ten minutes installing it. I don't need someone else to install an OS for me. The actual important thing is that all their hardware has Linux drivers.

Depends if the laptop manufacturer wants to make promises like "Battery life: 20 hours of 1080p video streaming"

Most laptops that achieve that require the hardware, OS and browser working together. I've seen laptops that, when running Linux, struggle to last through an hour-long video call.

Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by nightpool »

madeofpalk wrote: post #139
kyrra wrote: post #102

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Googler, opinions are my own. Google definitely has not lost interest. The Chromebook team at Google is actually involved in almost (all?) Chromebooks made. Since Google is responsible for all firmware/software updates for the life of that Chromebook, they are involved in that way. As well, the hardware/firmware teams here do a lot of the core engineering to getting the core parts of the hardware working (motherboard…

Google just killed the Pixelbook division https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/09/google-hardware-repo...

I think that makes sense though—partnering with companies like Framework and HP to get the hardware right while refocusing on the software experiencing in-house doesn't mean they don't believe in the market fit for the Pixelbook or the technologies that powered it, it just means that there was enough interest externally that Google doesn't need to take on the hardware complexity/supply chain risk/etc. Partnering with other companies that are already experts in that seems better then trying to get everything right themselves from scratch

(Disclaimer: I have not been following the Pixelbook news or really even considered the device before today, but people on this forum seem to like it)

Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by [deleted] »

kyrra wrote: post #126
turtlebits wrote: post #116

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Sorry, I'm not sure I believe this. I have a Pixelbook that still gets ChromeOS updates regularly- the Android and "Linux on ChromeOS" features are still half baked. After wakeup - Android apps hang or show empty windows, Terminal takes minutes to work, and a reboot usually fixes everything. (This is after a powerwash and being on the stable channel)

I think the hard thing here is that they want to keep the Linux VMs totally isolated from ChromeOS itself, so that they aren't opening up users to attacks. This is taking a lot of effort to get right. I will say, the Pixelbook was super underpowered. They use the ultra-portable Intel CPUs that have a TDP of 7W, which makes them super slow with anything CPU intensive. The Dragonfly chrombook has a 15W base power usage…

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Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by [deleted] »

dheera wrote: post #130
n0ric wrote: post #43

I'm having a hard time imagining the audience for this product. EDU most likely isn't going to go with this product due to cost (and can get easily complex, imagine trying to juggle all the expansion ports being lost by students), and typical audiences for ChromeOS devices don't always overlap with audiences who want easy repairability (and most likely are purchasing the device for the lack of nuances that other OSes…

Yeah exactly. $999 isn't exactly Chromebook territory.

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