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Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by rascul »

koonsolo wrote: post #288
rascul wrote: post #237

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> Shooting down Russian airplanes over Ukrainian territory when they are literally bombing Ukraine is not "an act of war against Russia". That's a bit of a far stretch don't you think? It is an act of war. It is not a far stretch.

It is clearly not threatening "the territorial integrity of Russia", as Russia likes to call it. Because those planes get attacked over enemy territory.

What does that have to do with it? One military shooting down another military's aircraft is an act of war.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by stiltzkin »

dan-robertson wrote: post #100
withinboredom wrote: post #73

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I think it’s just extremely untrue that the US is experiencing anything like the Russian brain drain (or indeed any net brain drain at all). The US does have a bunch of problems (eg the poorest people live terribly for such a rich country; political issues around polarisation, skilled immigration, etc) but I think they are basically insignificant when compared to Russia’s.

I disagree insignificant due to how the U.S. treated South American in the past, and there are more examples how extreme U.S. can be.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by fellellor »

trhway wrote: post #157
88840-8855 wrote: post #70

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Oh yeah, super good idea. We had fantastic experience with humiliated nations before. It worked so well for Germany after WW1 /s FACT: the end of this war must be positive for the Russian people, no matter whether Russia loses or wins the military operation. Putin came to power because the West didnt help the former Soviet republics. If Russia is left alone humiliated again then we will have the next anti-western sys…

> We had fantastic experience with humiliated nations before. It worked so well for Germany after WW1 /s The mistake was corrected after WWII by splitting the country into occupation zones. That is the only way to deal with Russia too. Pushing out of Ukraine isn't enough. Russia has to be demilitarized, most importantly - denuclearized, it should lose its place in UN Security Council. It also should be denazified - t…

I hope, for the sake of the rest of humanity, all Euros (including Russians) aren’t a bunch of incredulously racist man-children as you are.

Reading this would have been funnier had it not been for the behaviour we’ve seen this year.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by spywaregorilla »

vladcodes wrote: post #290
spywaregorilla wrote: post #154

A few months ago analysts were warning of impending collapse of Russia's troops due to poor supplies and poor morale. Russian cheerleaders on HN were doubting it as Western propaganda saying it had been declared for months and not materialized. Well it materialized in the collapse of the Kharkiv front over a week so there's that. In all, I don't think the mobilization is likely to matter. The Russian problem is bad s…

> In all, I don't think the mobilization is likely to matter. Have you seen any zombie movies?

I have.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by fellellor »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #121
danielheath wrote: post #77

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Nukes are a possibility, but MAD has stopped us all using them for many years so far. As far as conventional arms go: Russia has quite a few planes, tanks, and artillery; however, so long as the USA wills it, the Ukraine will have more anti-air missiles, more anti-tank munitions, and more long-range rockets. In any long-range fight, being able to locate your enemy is key; the pentagons ability to identify the locatio…

Does MAD really protect Ukraine? Edit: suppose the old man has properly lost it. If Putin drops a tactical nuke on a Ukranian military position, will Nato really respond in kind? Seems like damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

No it doesn’t. It seems Putin wants to conquer Ukraine and more importantly for the west to get over it. They certainly won’t if he nukes Kiev or does some such stupid shit.

The new Cold War will be sealed and it will be game over for his regime. He wants western apathy and social disorder to continue. And he wants a disaster zone in Ukraine as his personal entry point into Europe proper.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by fellellor »

philistine wrote: post #205
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #121

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Does MAD really protect Ukraine? Edit: suppose the old man has properly lost it. If Putin drops a tactical nuke on a Ukranian military position, will Nato really respond in kind? Seems like damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

Perhaps not, but China and India would definitely stop supporting Russia after that. China has a nuclear-equipped little madman of its own, so it needs to show what the consequences are for using nukes. India is also a nuclear country, bordered by another one, and can't imply Pakistan can just use nukes without consequence.

As if Pakistan is waiting for the global etiquette on the usage of nuclear weapons to change so they can nuke India!!

Both countries can’t use nukes because the other has them too. India has a fast growing economy at stake and Pakistan may be an economic disaster but Pakistani elites have huge assets in the west which can be frozen.

Usage of nukes in the Indian subcontinent has easily calculable first order effects.

In Ukraine it’s entirely different. It is ridiculous to suggest that the US will welcome the destruction of the entire human race if Putin even nukes civilian centres in Ukraine. They won’t. But there are second and third order consequences of such actions which are not in favour of Russia and certainly not in favour of Putin and his friends.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by spywaregorilla »

spaceheater wrote: post #300
spywaregorilla wrote: post #154

A few months ago analysts were warning of impending collapse of Russia's troops due to poor supplies and poor morale. Russian cheerleaders on HN were doubting it as Western propaganda saying it had been declared for months and not materialized. Well it materialized in the collapse of the Kharkiv front over a week so there's that. In all, I don't think the mobilization is likely to matter. The Russian problem is bad s…

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> You say collapse, others[0] say it was a retreat of 2000 soldiers with minimal loses.

I'm sure they do. Good luck with the draft.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by fellellor »

saiya-jin wrote: post #136
danielheath wrote: post #77

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Nukes are a possibility, but MAD has stopped us all using them for many years so far. As far as conventional arms go: Russia has quite a few planes, tanks, and artillery; however, so long as the USA wills it, the Ukraine will have more anti-air missiles, more anti-tank munitions, and more long-range rockets. In any long-range fight, being able to locate your enemy is key; the pentagons ability to identify the locatio…

I am massively concerned that Trump may actually win next elections. I keep hearing that's not possible, Americans are not that stupid and so on. But he almost won second time and republicans across whole spectrum seem to love him despite his massive character flaws. If that happens, US helps to Ukraine stops, period. I would expect Europe is left on its own and that may be a bad time for Ukraine and actually not onl…

Bullshit. I’ve no interest or opinion on whether Trump is good for America or whatever. But he will go in harder against Russia. He was the one who warned the Germans about their increasing fuel dependency on the Russians in the first place.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by fellellor »

rascul wrote: post #301
koonsolo wrote: post #288

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It is clearly not threatening "the territorial integrity of Russia", as Russia likes to call it. Because those planes get attacked over enemy territory.

What does that have to do with it? One military shooting down another military's aircraft is an act of war.

Unless NATO says sorry whenever they shoot down a Russian plane like Turkey did.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by fellellor »

koonsolo wrote: post #146
grnmamba wrote: post #39

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A direct war between NATO and Russia will go nuclear and cause tens of millions of casualties in the best case If you want to go and fight, do it yourself

Why? India is fighting China over a border conflict, no nukes used. Why would you think NATO securing Ukraine would end in a nuclear war? It's not as if either NATO or Russia is attacking on the others soil. Ukraine is neither NATO nor Russia, so there is no reason to claim it would be a direct conflict.

Fighting is a stretch. It’s fisticuffs. Sometimes involves the use of melee weapons. There are agreements in place banning the use of firearms.
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