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Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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> because Apple takes 2 weeks & wipes data from device They don’t. It’s a 30 minute repair with no wipe necessary.

You're talking to someone who has personal experience at having to send the phone in and wait two weeks. Unless you think they're lying?

Judge for yourself: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32916346

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

#562

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You're talking to someone who has personal experience at having to send the phone in and wait two weeks. Unless you think they're lying?

Judge for yourself: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32916346

Okay. I judge that they are probably telling the truth and you are being an ass about it.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Judge for yourself: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32916346

Okay. I judge that they are probably telling the truth and you are being an ass about it.

Amusing but silly. They are obviously lying.

You can’t seriously believe they are afraid of naming an Apple Store. If the store existed and they named it, then I’d look like a complete asshole.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Really happy to see this write up. I’m probably in the tank, but I genuinely believe that Apple strives to do right by its customers, and to be a good company. it’s not a nonprofit, and I don’t expect them to act like one. Sometimes I feel like people enjoy piling on because they are the big dog. Again, please don’t mistake this comment for a blindness to some of its operations. But it’s nice to see them get credit f…

I am Anti-Apple with their recent change in politics, but generally speaking I do agree they do a decent job. It is also sad their competitors does't give a damn about anything.

That's really what makes Apple look like the good guy- the other top players are openly evil and unquestionably provide net-negative value to society.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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> We are hearing reports that Apple is continuing their hostile path of pairing parts to the phone, requiring activation of the back glass after installation. On the other hand, this makes stealing an iPhone more and more pointless, as more and more parts cannot be parted out and sold. After activation lock was added, thieves started parting out screens and batteries to sell them and get at least some value out of an…

The thief could just ask you for your iCloud password and unlock the phone (with a gun/knife for motivation). https://xkcd.com/538/

That is not how smash-n-grabs work

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Okay. I judge that they are probably telling the truth and you are being an ass about it.

Amusing but silly. They are obviously lying. You can’t seriously believe they are afraid of naming an Apple Store. If the store existed and they named it, then I’d look like a complete asshole.

I wouldn't tell you where I live just to prove there's no convenient Apple Store.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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> You're acting like they did it with the purpose of trying to hinder self-repair. That’s certainly one interpretation. What’s the security rationale behind disabling functions if you don’t pair the phone’s replacement glass panel ? Or if you take a genuine battery from another phone (since Apple doesn’t sell them for most models directly) and put it in your phone? It’s a genuine battery but it’ll nag you and disable…

Both of those questions are easily answerable with a simple Google search. 1. >disabling functions if you don’t pair the phone’s replacement glass panel? That's not what's happening. The "glass panel", as you put it, is the same part as the FaceID and TouchID sensors. They're cryptographically paired so that someone doesn't replace that part with a compromised sensor that would allow them access to the device. If you…

Alright, sure, putting a genuine battery and disabling some functionality is perfectly reasonable, let’s say. The battery fully knows it’s health, the number of cycles and charge levels are tracked by the chip inside the battery itself. The phone can and 100% does know exactly the condition of the battery. But you replaced it without involving Apple so the battery health functionality is disabled. Perfectly reasonable.

Just in case, what about auto brightness on the iPhone 14? If you swap the display with a genuine one from another iPhone 14, auto brightness is now disabled which means that your screen is black every time you unlock the phone and you have to manually go and crank the brightness up again (without actually seeing anything in the display) every time you unlock the phone.

I’m sure this makes the phone way safer too and is actually intended for your own good rather than being actively hostile to self repair by making the phone obnoxious to use as a result.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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> but they’re super difficult to use That dude is looking for problem when there's none. He starts off the article with this > For people like me who have little experience repairing electronics, the self-repair setup was so intimidating that I nearly wussed out. Did he expect Ikea like instruction manual to repair an advanced consumer electronic gadgets? That kit is clearly meant for professional (or at the very lea…

I also found the tone of that article annoying. The author is talking about repairing one of the–if not the– most advanced things ever mass-assembled. No shit, it's not easy.

And yet Fairphone manages without being significantly simpler in features.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Yeah, but you can do the whole repair without it, if you’re confident that you won’t set the existing battery on fire removing it, and don’t mind some small risk of the new one exploding in your pocket after you sit down, and waterproofing isn’t important to you…

Those are three pretty big "if" statements to get past. Maybe it is OK that some items aren't easily repairable at home. It would be awesome if Apple also offered a lower cost model with an easily replaceable battery (like an old Android), more easily repairable, and not necessarily water proof. But, if there really was a market for that, some Android manufacturer would have something for it. Maybe there is one and I…

Sorry, I should have left the /s on the end of that comment.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Not that they are completely evil, just that they know how to play the public and shareholders to come off as future-oriented, sustainable, humane, etc., which gives them some leeway to deal with their issues in China for example.

Again the innuendo. You are agreeing that they are behaving in a sustainable, future-oriented, sustainable, humane way, but presenting this as if it’s not actually true. The fact that China hasn’t improved on human rights the way everyone expected them to do over the last two decades is indeed a problem for Apple, and everyone else who does business there, but it doesn’t change the fact that they are in fact making t…

> the fact that they are in fact making their phones more repairable, which is beneficial to the environment and consumers in reality, and not just in appearance.

The pure fact that they aren't advertising such obvious user-benefiting feature corroborates my hypothesis that they only virtue-signal what they find milkable. Fundamentally, they are making iPhones more repairable a result of the US and the EU being on their asses with various legislation; it's a mere compliance. Advertising it would likely affect their AppleCare+ revenue, which is why I presume they simply didn't.

If they actually cared about being a better company for the sake of being a better company, they would absolutely point out that obvious benefit even at the risk of diminishing their future AppleCare+ revenue.

So, in short, those repairability improvements are mostly to comply and save their own expenses when fixing AppleCare-insured phones. Which is what I meant by it being mostly for the looks. They just know how to play their cards well.

> which is beneficial to the environment and consumers in reality, and not just in appearance.

Nobody said it wasn't, that wasn't the point I was arguing.

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