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Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by mrtksn »

dota_fanatic wrote: post #292
mrtksn wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many millions of laptops they have sold so far? Are they selling over 10 million a year thanks to the superb repairability? I like Framework, it's nice concept and if I had a few thousand dollars expandable money I would definitely buy one to fiddle with.

You're moving the goalposts. > Why would anyone try to sell me a device by talking about how easy it is to repair it? What I expect is that it would never need a repair and if it needs a repair the vendor will handle it. Because people value reparability, which someone posted evidence for. Buying a computing device that you can use and depend on for decades is a laudable goal, and reparability is table stakes for tha…

IMHO Framework's value comes from modularity, repairability is just a perk of modularity. I like it but it comes at cost of design features like thickness, weight or robustness.

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Post by neon_electro »

dkonofalski wrote: post #170
shuntress wrote: post #154

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Some people expect their expensive tools to withstand the rigors of daily use.

Dropping devices on concrete is not "daily use". That's like saying that people should expect cars to be unaffected by randomly crashing into walls.

That's fair - but "the rigors of daily use" as parent post wrote absolutely include resilience and resistance to physical damage if/when a fall happens.

I agree dropping a phone every day is not accurate, but the risk exists with "the rigors of daily use".

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Post by dcre »

joshfraser wrote: post #280

Now if they would just get rid of those hideous camera bumps. Why not make the phone a millimeter thicker and fill the extra space with battery?

More like 3-5mm, or half the thickness of the phone. Which answers the question. (They're a lot bigger on the 14 than on my 12.)

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Post by pb7 »

smoldesu wrote: post #300
pb7 wrote: post #298

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A company that wants to make money? Gasp, say it ain't so!

It wouldn't be so distressing if they weren't already valued beyond a trillion dollars.

You don't become a trillion dollar company selling products people don't love.

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Post by wmeredith »

vishnugupta wrote: post #103
jitl wrote: post #9

Apple started offering home repair kits for iPhone this year, but they’re super difficult to use: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/technology/personaltech/a... There’s speculation that offering the kits is an attempt to head off right-to-repair legislation. But seeing this redesign, I wonder to what degree the repair program is incentivizing repairability within apple’s corporate structure. Now that “profit/loss pe…

> but they’re super difficult to use That dude is looking for problem when there's none. He starts off the article with this > For people like me who have little experience repairing electronics, the self-repair setup was so intimidating that I nearly wussed out. Did he expect Ikea like instruction manual to repair an advanced consumer electronic gadgets? That kit is clearly meant for professional (or at the very lea…

I also found the tone of that article annoying. The author is talking about repairing one of the–if not the– most advanced things ever mass-assembled. No shit, it's not easy.

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Post by wmeredith »

_V_ wrote: post #294

I dunno, this article reads... strange. I mean yeah, it is nice to be able to open it from front and rear. But what good does it make when they pair every single component to the motherboard? Yeah, technically parts are more accessible (physically) but thats only the beginning of the repair process. And unless you can buy genuine parts without hassle and put them in, you are still SOL. To me it is like cheering that…

I think this is a big deal because far and away, the most common repairs made to iPhones are replacing the front or back.

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Post by sangnoir »

vishnugupta wrote: post #103
jitl wrote: post #9

Apple started offering home repair kits for iPhone this year, but they’re super difficult to use: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/technology/personaltech/a... There’s speculation that offering the kits is an attempt to head off right-to-repair legislation. But seeing this redesign, I wonder to what degree the repair program is incentivizing repairability within apple’s corporate structure. Now that “profit/loss pe…

> but they’re super difficult to use That dude is looking for problem when there's none. He starts off the article with this > For people like me who have little experience repairing electronics, the self-repair setup was so intimidating that I nearly wussed out. Did he expect Ikea like instruction manual to repair an advanced consumer electronic gadgets? That kit is clearly meant for professional (or at the very lea…

> I mean that 75pound repair equipment requiring $1200 hold on a card...

How is this legal? Holds ought to be capped at the maximum payable for a transaction.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by smoldesu »

pb7 wrote: post #304
smoldesu wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wouldn't be so distressing if they weren't already valued beyond a trillion dollars.

You don't become a trillion dollar company selling products people don't love.

Correct, companies can only get there with subterfuge and good marketing.

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Post by dwaite »

shuntress wrote: post #147
millzlane wrote: post #12

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This makes it easier for my technicians when customers lie by omission when they have had their device repaired someplace else and they bring it back to us for repair. It's not until we get into the repair and find out someone has stripped screws that can't be removed without extraction tools and replaced LSI's. It's also nice for consumers who get their devices stolen strictly for parts. Preventing someone from basi…

You are conflating separate concerns. Tracking serial numbers to black-list stolen parts (too much effort for too little value IMO but I'm not a bean counter for a nation-state-sized corporation so what do I know?) is very different from white-listing ordained parts. Independent shops should be able to buy broken phones from individuals and part them out for repairs without jumping through Apple's hoops.

> Independent shops should be able to buy broken phones from individuals and part them out for repairs without jumping through Apple's hoops.

I assume in this scenario that all independent shops are trustworthy entities that won't use stolen, reclaimed, or third-party parts in order to save money, without informing the customer?

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Post by majani »

hot_gril wrote: post #167

> Forget satellite SOS and the larger camera, the headline is this: Apple has completely redesigned the internals of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair. This made me chuckle. I'm willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of users care far more about the camera than the repairability. The latter is hardly even something they consider. It will probably help them in unseen ways, like improving resale value.

It would matter if it was highlighted. People care about repairability of expensive items. Admittedly, it is a secondary concern, but I would say it is probably the top secondary concern
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