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Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by teitoklien »

simondotau wrote: post #509
teitoklien wrote: post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not. Encryption issue is about banning it altogether. This is about user choice in terms of repairability. This excuse is more to the equivalent of , we are banning all communication in plaintext or any encryption standard, except aes-256. Everyone has different requirements, choice and deserve the freedom. Companies dont get to excuse away freedom and choice, in the name of “security”.

> Companies dont get to excuse away freedom and choice Companies don't owe you freedom and choice. If you don't like their product, if you don't like their concern for your freedom and choice, don't buy it.

Now you’re just being defensive.

We were critiquing a product, now you’re saying, companies dont owe us the right to criticise their product, and that we must move elsewhere instead of complaining.

one second you’re saying “it’s for our benefit”, the next, you want us to stop using the product, because we aren’t “owed anything”.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by newtritious »

_V_ wrote: post #548
newtritious wrote: post #544

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Is it? That honestly doesn’t seem remotely credible. You are claiming that there is a ‘location’ where Apple themselves in general need to send off a phone for a battery replacement, one of the most common repairs. Which Apple Store was that? Where is it located? We can easily enough ask them what the general turnaround time for a battery replacement is.

Yes, it is. For both batteries and displays - across many different ocasions over the years. Unfortunately. That's why I let company I work for to buy me some nice repair equipment so I can atleast extract the data & do some things by myself. Are you an actual Apple employee with some power to help me (or help the situation in general)? If so I'd be really glad and more than willing to share all my information with y…

If it’s a real location with a real Apple Store, why can’t you name it?

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by simondotau »

teitoklien wrote: post #551
simondotau wrote: post #509

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Companies dont get to excuse away freedom and choice Companies don't owe you freedom and choice. If you don't like their product, if you don't like their concern for your freedom and choice, don't buy it.

Now you’re just being defensive. We were critiquing a product, now you’re saying, companies dont owe us the right to criticise their product, and that we must move elsewhere instead of complaining. one second you’re saying “it’s for our benefit”, the next, you want us to stop using the product, because we aren’t “owed anything”.

When did I say that companies don’t owe you “the right to criticise their product”? I didn’t say that.

Arguments with a dishonest interlocutor are frightfully boring. Reply as you see fit, but I’m closing this thread and not looking at it again.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by simondotau »

_V_ wrote: post #511
simondotau wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the record, I don't think Apple does this entirely for security. I think they do it to stop the illegal distribution of items which leak from Apple's supply chain, as well as counterfeit goods sold as though equal in quality to Apple parts. (I know multiple people who have had non-genuine screen replacements and they've always been low quality fragile glass.) If someone tried to sell whole iPhones assembled entir…

If they sold the parts outright with resonable pricing as any other manufacturer I don't think there would be any reason for supply chain leaks... Why would it be any different for Apple?

I agree that spare parts should be more widely available, but I take issue with your broader assertion. Are you seriously arguing that when something is too expensive, theft is justified?

Hmmm, I always wanted a Ferrari.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by _V_ »

newtritious wrote: post #552
_V_ wrote: post #548

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it is. For both batteries and displays - across many different ocasions over the years. Unfortunately. That's why I let company I work for to buy me some nice repair equipment so I can atleast extract the data & do some things by myself. Are you an actual Apple employee with some power to help me (or help the situation in general)? If so I'd be really glad and more than willing to share all my information with y…

If it’s a real location with a real Apple Store, why can’t you name it?

I can but unless you can help me, what's the point? Just to convince you? I have no vested interest in Apple - emotional or financial and thus I have no interest in fighting for (or against) Apple (or Android) fans.

By your own indirect admission you cannot change anything so why bother? I don't really care if you personally believe me or not. Sorry.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by _V_ »

simondotau wrote: post #554
_V_ wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they sold the parts outright with resonable pricing as any other manufacturer I don't think there would be any reason for supply chain leaks... Why would it be any different for Apple?

I agree that spare parts should be more widely available, but I take issue with your broader assertion. Are you seriously arguing that when something is too expensive, theft is justified? Hmmm, I always wanted a Ferrari.

Wow that strawman is really quite poor. I really hope you can do better than that...

If you want a Ferrari, go buy one. They have quite long waiting lists from what I've heard.

edit: In order not to be completely off topic: Apple might have just the same problems with parts stolen from their suppliers but since every single iPhone needs to be activated, I'm very sure they would be able to catch "iPhones made entirely from stolen parts". So this is clearly not it. The fact that they don't sell anything will probably make this whole thing quite worse because if you could buy a genuine display for 250$ from Apple, why would you really buy from anyone else? That market would of course exist but it would be much much smaller.

I would not expect them to sell motherboards or for exampe face id sensors without some kind of pairing. But batteries and LCDs? Come on!

They are doing it just to stick it to anyone who wants to repair their device. Quite sad when you think about the origins of that company :-(

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by newtritious »

_V_ wrote: post #555
newtritious wrote: post #552

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it’s a real location with a real Apple Store, why can’t you name it?

I can but unless you can help me, what's the point? Just to convince you? I have no vested interest in Apple - emotional or financial and thus I have no interest in fighting for (or against) Apple (or Android) fans. By your own indirect admission you cannot change anything so why bother? I don't really care if you personally believe me or not. Sorry.

I think the point is that you’ve publicly claimed that this location exists and used it as part of an argument against Apple, but when asked to name it, you can’t.

An honest person would have no reason to hide the location. I think it’s fairly clear that you’ve been caught in a lie.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by _V_ »

newtritious wrote: post #557
_V_ wrote: post #555

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can but unless you can help me, what's the point? Just to convince you? I have no vested interest in Apple - emotional or financial and thus I have no interest in fighting for (or against) Apple (or Android) fans. By your own indirect admission you cannot change anything so why bother? I don't really care if you personally believe me or not. Sorry.

I think the point is that you’ve publicly claimed that this location exists and used it as part of an argument against Apple, but when asked to name it, you can’t. An honest person would have no reason to hide the location. I think it’s fairly clear that you’ve been caught in a lie.

The good ol' "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear".

Your offer is that I should disclose information about my whereabouts so you can do nothing to help me. Well thank you for this opportunity but I think I will politely decline. :-D

As I said earlier: If you cannot help me at all, I have no interest in proving anything to you. Sorry.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by newtritious »

_V_ wrote: post #558
newtritious wrote: post #557

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point is that you’ve publicly claimed that this location exists and used it as part of an argument against Apple, but when asked to name it, you can’t. An honest person would have no reason to hide the location. I think it’s fairly clear that you’ve been caught in a lie.

The good ol' "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear". Your offer is that I should disclose information about my whereabouts so you can do nothing to help me. Well thank you for this opportunity but I think I will politely decline. :-D As I said earlier: If you cannot help me at all, I have no interest in proving anything to you. Sorry.

> The good ol' "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear".

Are you afraid that some harm will come to you if you name an Apple Store that was slow to repair a phone?

Nobody is asking you to disclose your whereabouts. Just tell us which Apple Store took 2 weeks to repair a phone, if indeed there is one.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by [deleted] »

hetspookjee wrote: post #353
thathndude wrote: post #157

Really happy to see this write up. I’m probably in the tank, but I genuinely believe that Apple strives to do right by its customers, and to be a good company. it’s not a nonprofit, and I don’t expect them to act like one. Sometimes I feel like people enjoy piling on because they are the big dog. Again, please don’t mistake this comment for a blindness to some of its operations. But it’s nice to see them get credit f…

Oh come on. The backside is made of glass and costs an astonishing 570euros to replace. That’s not striving to do right.

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