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Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by _V_ »

mwint wrote: post #519
_V_ wrote: post #506

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Please explain to me how pairing a screen, vibration motor and battery to the motherboard keeps me secure... I'd understand faceid (which is paired of course), sure. But not these. I really have a strong feeling that some folks have Stockholm syndrome or something.

Couldn’t an adversary replace the screen in my phone with one that records the contents of what it displays? And/or tap locations. Modern keylogger. My guess is Apple started doing all this pairing stuff due to some security threat they saw before we did.

Apple does not do this for security but just to piss user off - hence disabling the TrueTone & autobacklight features. These features are hardly anything that could be argued is "security relevant". I mean would you really velieve that vibration motor or battery could compromise security of your phone? One has to (unfortunately) stay in the realm of possible and feasible despite all the James Bond & CSI Miami & Bones TV shows...

Apple does somewhat care about users privacy (I like that very much) but this is really not it. And it goes for the battery as well. And vibration motor. And rear facing camera. All these are just plain and simple middle finger to third party repair shops. You could argue about FaceID sensor and motherboard and I would agree with security concerns, but that's pretty much it.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by illiac786 »

samatman wrote: post #239
shuntress wrote: post #161

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And "Real Apple Hardware" supporting "Real Apple ID" on every device in the network.

Cryptographic signatures can be decoded by anything which has the public key, that's not how this would work at all.

Cryptographic signatures are _meant_ to be decoded and verified.

If you want to take a signature you need to extract a secret key from an iPhone in this scenario, which would be probably stored in the secure enclave.

That's how asymmetric cryptography works.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by newtritious »

shuntress wrote: post #451
newtritious wrote: post #369

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Until it is, Apple are serving their customers by protecting them from this problem.

I am much more likely to need a phone serviced than have a phone stolen. Apple should protect me from a repair monopoly overcharging just enough such that a new device (also sold by said monopoly) looks more appealing than a repair.

They are also protecting you against repair shops using substandard parts, and compromising device security.

The claim about them doing this to make you buy a new device is made up.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by newtritious »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #455
newtritious wrote: post #426

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> because Apple takes 2 weeks & wipes data from device They don’t. It’s a 30 minute repair with no wipe necessary.

You're talking to someone who has personal experience at having to send the phone in and wait two weeks. Unless you think they're lying?

They are lying if they are claiming it’s the general case, which is how they phrased it, so yes.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by newtritious »

_V_ wrote: post #503
newtritious wrote: post #426

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> because Apple takes 2 weeks & wipes data from device They don’t. It’s a 30 minute repair with no wipe necessary.

As I said somewhere else, it probably depends on your location. This also applies not only to the battery replacement but for screen as well. I've had to do that also and it also was not a 30 minute repair unfortunately. If it was, I would be quite happy and would not be so frustrated over this stuff.

So you knew it’s not the general case, and yet you said it anyway.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by newtritious »

cromka wrote: post #520
newtritious wrote: post #431

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The implication being that they only ‘look’ like they are not evil, but secretly they actually are?

Not that they are completely evil, just that they know how to play the public and shareholders to come off as future-oriented, sustainable, humane, etc., which gives them some leeway to deal with their issues in China for example.

Again the innuendo. You are agreeing that they are behaving in a sustainable, future-oriented, sustainable, humane way, but presenting this as if it’s not actually true.

The fact that China hasn’t improved on human rights the way everyone expected them to do over the last two decades is indeed a problem for Apple, and everyone else who does business there, but it doesn’t change the fact that they are in fact making their phones more repairable, which is beneficial to the environment and consumers in reality, and not just in appearance.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by newtritious »

kaba0 wrote: post #484
newtritious wrote: post #366

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This is kind of a weird take. If everyone is driven by profit, but some get it by evil means and others get it by doing things that benefit their customers, can’t we simply say that the people who do evil stuff are evil, and the ones who don’t aren’t?

I don’t know, is a paper clip AI evil of not? I think your problem is anthropomorphizing a non-human entity — companies after a certain size are simply trying to maximize profits at all costs. It is just so happens that people like to look at companies in a human way and thus playing “good” has a monetary advantage. For a more direct example look at all the companies putting up pro-LGBT flags.

> companies after a certain size are simply trying to maximize profits at all costs.

This is an ideological claim that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. Obviously if you hold this as an axiom, you won’t be able to see that companies are made up of people.

Are you aware that Tim Cook is gay? Could it be that his personal experience has something to do with Apple supporting gay rights?

If your claim has any truth, then all companies above a certain size would be putting up pro-LGBT flags.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by _V_ »

newtritious wrote: post #535
_V_ wrote: post #503

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As I said somewhere else, it probably depends on your location. This also applies not only to the battery replacement but for screen as well. I've had to do that also and it also was not a 30 minute repair unfortunately. If it was, I would be quite happy and would not be so frustrated over this stuff.

So you knew it’s not the general case, and yet you said it anyway.

In my location it is a general case. What is your point?

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by bogwog »

Gigachad wrote: post #448
bogwog wrote: post #441

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Theft resistant would be more accurate, as it's certainly not theft proof. An iphone screen can be trivially reprogrammed to bypass that serial number check with a ~$90 device on ebay. > Considering you can buy parts from Apple or take the phone in to a store to have it fixed at a very fair price. What is a "fair" price? After market screens can be found online for incredibly cheap. I replaced my XS Max display mysel…

Really this just means that the implementation needs more work, not that the idea is wrong. With more secure hardware, you realistically could make stolen parts useless. Combined with the ability to track a turned off phone with the Find My network, theft keeps getting harder while the potential payout does not get any higher. The main problem with after market parts is there is often not informed choice. These parts…

> With more secure hardware, you realistically could make stolen parts useless.

I really doubt that. People always find a way around these types of things, especially for something as popular as an iPhone. It's all effectively DRM, which has never been fool-proof in any implementation as far as I know, whether it be hardware or software. It's not like Apple has some magic super secure supply chain. Internal manuals get leaked and parts stolen off assembly lines all the time.

> The main problem with after market parts is there is often not informed choice. These parts very frequently advertise themselves official or equivalent to official. With fake specs, fake labels, and fake brands.

The same could be said about literally everything. Counterfeits are not a new phenomenon, it's just a fact of life (especially on the internet, and particularly on Amazon)

> ...And then these phones get resold on to others who have no way of knowing that the reason their experience is compromised is due to fake parts.

> ... And allowing the installation of non genuine parts with some on boot message explaining exactly which parts are not genuine. So on sale the new owner knows what they are getting.

The argument you're making here is that Apple should inflict major harms on consumers in order to marginally improve their business. By preventing independent repairs via serial number locking, Apple is able to ensure that second-hand iPhones are higher quality, and the people who buy them are more likely to be impressed and will want to buy a brand new iPhone in the future. That minor benefit to Apple's business/brand should be more important than the damage to consumers' wallets, rights, and the planet.

Everyone has their own view of the world and value systems. This reasoning just seems bonkers to me, but I understand that we're probably completely different people with polar opposite viewpoints on this, and you probably think my views are insane. I can respect that. I'm not going to change your mind about it, and you're not going to change mine. So I think the conclusion here is to end this discussion on mutual disagreement.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by joshfraser »

dcre wrote: post #303
joshfraser wrote: post #280

Now if they would just get rid of those hideous camera bumps. Why not make the phone a millimeter thicker and fill the extra space with battery?

More like 3-5mm, or half the thickness of the phone. Which answers the question. (They're a lot bigger on the 14 than on my 12.)

Yeah, I guess it depends on the model. I'm still on the 12 myself.

iPhone 12: 1.5mm, iPhone 12 Pro: 1.7mm, iPhone 13: 2.51mm, iPhone 13 Pro : 3.65mm

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