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Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by shuntress »

newtritious wrote: post #369
shuntress wrote: post #356

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Nothing exists in a vacuum. Tracking stolen phones and busting chop shops is probably something that should be handled by law enforcement.

Until it is, Apple are serving their customers by protecting them from this problem.

I am much more likely to need a phone serviced than have a phone stolen.

Apple should protect me from a repair monopoly overcharging just enough such that a new device (also sold by said monopoly) looks more appealing than a repair.

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Post by kube-system »

shagie wrote: post #446
smoldesu wrote: post #416

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The actual critics are mostly mad at the way Apple prevents them from using legal donor boards to make less-wasteful repairs. Apple heard this, and their response is an 80-lb rent-able flight-case of random equipment. Admittedly, it made for some great free PR on YouTube. As for addressing the concerns of the right-to-repair community... they would have been better off just uploading board schematics for the M1 Air a…

Many, many years ago I had an apple laptop that I took into a shop to get cleaned up and the fans replaced (it had gotten gunky and one of the fans would stop periodically). Upon getting the laptop back, I got memory errors occasionally. When those memory errors became more common than coincidence could ascribe, my brother (more mechanically inclined than I) opened it up to check on the fan (maybe it was getting too…

I have a family member who just bought a Dell laptop listed as new on Amazon. It seemed a suspiciously slow when I used it to look something up. (a new $600 laptop shouldn't take 10+ seconds to open a web browser) I looked up the service tag; the memory and storage had both been swapped with dirt cheap replacements. Turns out it came from a third party seller who does "upgrades" to all of their laptops before they reseal the package and send them out.

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Post by nicbou »

ahaucnx wrote: post #424

On our product (air quality monitor[1]) we made the concious decision to design it for long life and repairability by e.g.: - using no glue or snaps - all components on one PCB, no thin cables that can break - standard philips/torx screws - four screws to open the enclosure, four screws to take out the pcb - expensive sensor modules on pin sockets for easy reaplacement - only using components that are certified for l…

That about page is really bland. Your comment feels far more genuine than this. It would sell far better.

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Post by kube-system »

sangnoir wrote: post #307
vishnugupta wrote: post #103

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> but they’re super difficult to use That dude is looking for problem when there's none. He starts off the article with this > For people like me who have little experience repairing electronics, the self-repair setup was so intimidating that I nearly wussed out. Did he expect Ikea like instruction manual to repair an advanced consumer electronic gadgets? That kit is clearly meant for professional (or at the very lea…

> I mean that 75pound repair equipment requiring $1200 hold on a card... How is this legal? Holds ought to be capped at the maximum payable for a transaction.

That ~$1200 was the maximum payable amount for the transaction. That's the price of buying everything, in the case that you don't return the rented equipment.

This is normal for renting tools.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

newtritious wrote: post #426
_V_ wrote: post #419

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> If you cannot get parts in stock (meaning in advance), you might as well send it to the Apple and not bother with repair shop at all. Because that idea is BS, designed just to block 3rd party repair shops from doing quick repairs leaving you with the same (or worse) level of service that Apple itself offers. Why on Earth would anyone need to provide SN of the phone to buy consumable such as battery? Makes no sense…

> because Apple takes 2 weeks & wipes data from device They don’t. It’s a 30 minute repair with no wipe necessary.

You're talking to someone who has personal experience at having to send the phone in and wait two weeks. Unless you think they're lying?

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Post by ahaucnx »

Xorlev wrote: post #442
ahaucnx wrote: post #424

On our product (air quality monitor[1]) we made the concious decision to design it for long life and repairability by e.g.: - using no glue or snaps - all components on one PCB, no thin cables that can break - standard philips/torx screws - four screws to open the enclosure, four screws to take out the pcb - expensive sensor modules on pin sockets for easy reaplacement - only using components that are certified for l…

How much are they, and where can I buy one? I don't typically follow through on "contact for pricing".

We focus on b2b and prices start at USD200.

We also have an open source kit with very similar sensors starting at around USD70. More information here: https://www.airgradient.com/open-airgradient/kits/

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Post by jibe »

_V_ wrote: post #415
wrycoder wrote: post #409

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Well, I've done several, and one of the pull tabs generally breaks no matter how slow and careful you are. Then, it's on to reheating everything and dragging a monofilament under the battery. Without a vacuum hold-down stage, it is difficult and annoying. I don't recollect iFixit recommending IPA, does that work?

I've found out that you really need to gut that thing like a fish before trying to pull on those :-) Unless you take out vibrator etc from the bottom you almost always break atleast one off. Yeah, IPA and thin plastic shim card. These are often sold in lockpicking shops for door shimming - costs few bucks. Or directly from iFixit site (/products/plastic-cards). Just snip it in half so it is not as wide (careful not t…

Taking out the vibrator from the bottom is a key move.

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Post by jquery »

> Why isn’t Tim Cook bragging about repairability? We had no idea this was coming, because Apple didn’t mention it—at all. But they should have.

Didn’t they upgrade AppleCare to include unlimited repairs and brag about that? I think this might be related, and a better way of marketing the feature.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by Dylan16807 »

dkonofalski wrote: post #340
neon_electro wrote: post #302

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That's fair - but "the rigors of daily use" as parent post wrote absolutely include resilience and resistance to physical damage if/when a fall happens. I agree dropping a phone every day is not accurate, but the risk exists with "the rigors of daily use".

Well, anecdotally, I've had every other iPhone since the original and use it daily and have never had it break or otherwise needed to replace/repair it. People who use terms like "rigors of daily use" typically always mean wanton abuse.

The fact that yours has never broken, as opposed to shattering the screen once or twice, could just be luck.

Which is not exactly an argument about multiple breaks per year, but it's relevant.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by drekipus »

eek2121 wrote: post #422
jitl wrote: post #9

Apple started offering home repair kits for iPhone this year, but they’re super difficult to use: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/technology/personaltech/a... There’s speculation that offering the kits is an attempt to head off right-to-repair legislation. But seeing this redesign, I wonder to what degree the repair program is incentivizing repairability within apple’s corporate structure. Now that “profit/loss pe…

Do you honestly think Apple does not want you to repair your own device? They would absolutely sh*t kittens to have you buy replacement parts from them! The problem is that smartphones are super complex devices, able to withstand dust, rain, drops, and more. In order to do that, they have complex internals, which AMONG OTHER THINGS (like heat dissipation and RF I/O) are designed to support mentioned goals. Current ge…

> I feel like some folks downplay the amount of engineering that goes into the iPhone,

There's a huge amount of engineering that goes into making cars as well, but independent mechanic can and do thankfully exist.

The automobile market is going a similar direction to Apple and it's considered a bad thing by many.

Apple do not want to sell you spare parts if they can sell you a new yearly model phone instead. Imagine how awful it would be if you're forced to buy a new car when the propriety tires get a puncture and it's a discontinued model.

"Well this is already happens, besides I never lifted a finger to fix anything in my life" - yes, but it's not a good thing to make this the status quo.

People need to have the freedom to get cheaper parts and / or better services from other places. Otherwise we're all chained to Apple and not lifting our own fingers.

I don't know why this doesn't make sense to people, except for cases where people believe the hype of little old ladies blowing themselves up because they tried to replace batteries.

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