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Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Applying sound statistical methods to thousands of Niemann games, cheating expert Ken Regan finds no evidence of cheating [1]. > The verdict > Dr. Regan analyzed all of Hans Niemann's games over the last two years, including online games, such as played on Chess.com and their events, and his conclusion is there is no reason whatsoever to suspect him of cheating. The wide range of results in a bell curve, with some go…

How can one even cheat in chess? When I was a kid we used to distract the opponent and move some figures as he didn't watch. Apparently this is not the case but I can hardly imagine another way.

Here's one option - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32729105

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

#103

Magnus Carlsen has basically been a model champion for close to a decade now. He's not known for controversy and the odd situations where he dealt with less-than-classy opponents, he's taken it on the chin and moved on, usually with nothing more than brief statement. And he has been very positive about other younger GM's. So him coming out and "accusing" Niemann is akin to a nobel prize winning scientist accusing a g…

What? Just because of reputation? What are you even talking about...

Have you ever heard of "innocent until proven guilty"? The burden of proof is on the accuser. We should be shown evidence, or Carlsen should apologize.

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

#104

Magnus Carlsen has basically been a model champion for close to a decade now. He's not known for controversy and the odd situations where he dealt with less-than-classy opponents, he's taken it on the chin and moved on, usually with nothing more than brief statement. And he has been very positive about other younger GM's. So him coming out and "accusing" Niemann is akin to a nobel prize winning scientist accusing a g…

Nobel prize or not, evidence is needed. Nobel prize is sort of orthogonal to the situation where many other Nobel prize winners also have reservations about the accusation including Gary Kasparov and Fabiano Caruana. Magnus can’t play God, sorry. Eh, let’s call Caruana Fields medalist :-).

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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For context, Magnus withdrew from a major tournament last month after losing to Hans. He has not made a statement, but it is understood that he suspects Hans of cheating. Hans has admitted to cheating online, though he denies cheating in person. As more evidence comes out, it seems that Hans has cheated a lot more than he admitted, and potentially over the board as well (for example, this analysis [1] shows that he's…

I don’t understand why people are going out their way to justify Carlsen attitude. What we have is the world champion throwing a tantrum because he lost against a player there is absolutely no evidence has cheated against him and is now calling for him to be expelled despite having no evidence whatsoever. This is harassment pure and simple. The whole thing is disgraceful and reflects extremely badly on competitive ch…

What tantrum are you referring to? Didn't he just silently resign?

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

#106

Magnus Carlsen has basically been a model champion for close to a decade now. He's not known for controversy and the odd situations where he dealt with less-than-classy opponents, he's taken it on the chin and moved on, usually with nothing more than brief statement. And he has been very positive about other younger GM's. So him coming out and "accusing" Niemann is akin to a nobel prize winning scientist accusing a g…

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Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there's any cheating, how could Niemann himself not be involved?

Someone on Niemann's team could have been feeding him info which "coincidentally" happens to be very useful, without Niemann suspecting where the info came from. (A bug in Carlsen's hotel room?) Someone on Carlsen's team could be encouraging him to focus on lines which they've discovered (through a bug in the hotel room) that Niemann's team is preparing counters for. In both of these cases, the corrupt team member co…

While these are both unsportsmanlike (and probably illegal) I'm not actually sure they're cheating.

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Kind of a basic question but how do you cheat at chess, especially "over the board" ?

Adding to the posters above, there are headphones nowadays which look like a small stone and are put directly on the ear drum (yes, they need to be extracted by someone afterwards). They are completely invisible outside. They popular with students for cheating at exams for example.

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

#109

I found the speculation about anal beads hilariously entertaining. Now whenever a colleague stumbles to find an answers I have to suppress the urge to say something to the effect of "Did the anal beads' batteries run out?"

> I found the speculation about anal beads hilariously entertaining.

Especially since AFAICT it seems to have come from a clearly joke Reddit post[1] about how they discovered the cheating because Carlsen's own anal beads were vibrating in the match...

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/chessmemes/comments/x8217h/the_real...

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

#110
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's admitted to cheating in the past. The Bayesian priors for him currently cheating are not the same as for other people.

Sorry but that’s garbage. You either have evidence or you don’t. You can’t just say: once guilty always guilty and be fine with that. I find the general holier-than-thou self-righteous attitude expressed by most armchair commenters extremely off putting.

> holier-than-thou self-righteous attitude

That's what I see in your comments, haha.

Let the man protest. It appears to be quite effective. There is a long history of positive change coming from quiet, stubborn, non-violent protest outside the rules.

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