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Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Post by Y-bar »

ramraj07 wrote: post #4
tibbar wrote: post #2

For context, Magnus withdrew from a major tournament last month after losing to Hans. He has not made a statement, but it is understood that he suspects Hans of cheating. Hans has admitted to cheating online, though he denies cheating in person. As more evidence comes out, it seems that Hans has cheated a lot more than he admitted, and potentially over the board as well (for example, this analysis [1] shows that he's…

As someone who’s never been able to appreciate or follow sports where a machine can be an order of magnitude better than a human, I would genuinely like to understand why people are enamored about such sports. In the end it seems like brilliant minds lost in math that’s not even novel anymore.. again everyone should do what they please, but this is just an academic question from someone unable to appreciate such skil…

Why throw javelins when intercontinental missiles exists?

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Post by kareemsabri »

cupofjoakim wrote: post #16
kareemsabri wrote: post #6

Kind of a basic question but how do you cheat at chess, especially "over the board" ?

There are many ways. You need outside help for everything though - you need someone to input the current board state into some kind of chess engine, and then relay the best possible move back to you somehow. There have been cases where someone has hidden a phone in the bathrooms to use for either communicating or inputting into a chess engine themselves. In Niemanns case people have joked about vibrating anal beads c…

Wow, this goes deep!

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Post by tromp »

Applying sound statistical methods to thousands of Niemann games, cheating expert Ken Regan finds no evidence of cheating [1].

> The verdict

> Dr. Regan analyzed all of Hans Niemann's games over the last two years, including online games, such as played on Chess.com and their events, and his conclusion is there is no reason whatsoever to suspect him of cheating. The wide range of results in a bell curve, with some good and some bad, is actually a sign of a healthy distribution of results. Many of the so-called points of suspicion are in fact quite normal and suspicion is really the result of faulty analysis by zealous amateurs. Even online his play has been quite devoid of anything unusual.

[1] https://en.chessbase.com/post/is-hans-niemann-cheating-world...

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Post by romanovcode »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #18
tibbar wrote: post #2

For context, Magnus withdrew from a major tournament last month after losing to Hans. He has not made a statement, but it is understood that he suspects Hans of cheating. Hans has admitted to cheating online, though he denies cheating in person. As more evidence comes out, it seems that Hans has cheated a lot more than he admitted, and potentially over the board as well (for example, this analysis [1] shows that he's…

I don’t understand why people are going out their way to justify Carlsen attitude. What we have is the world champion throwing a tantrum because he lost against a player there is absolutely no evidence has cheated against him and is now calling for him to be expelled despite having no evidence whatsoever. This is harassment pure and simple. The whole thing is disgraceful and reflects extremely badly on competitive ch…

>is now calling for him to be expelled

He made no comment.

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Post by cominous »

kareemsabri wrote: post #6

Kind of a basic question but how do you cheat at chess, especially "over the board" ?

In most cases players were using a smartphones on the toilet.

Generally there are some more options: - using a small bluetooth headphone with external person telling you the moves - a vibrating device on the body that vibrates you the moves

both need a live broadcast of the game

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Post by bambax »

Macha wrote: post #9
ramraj07 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who’s never been able to appreciate or follow sports where a machine can be an order of magnitude better than a human, I would genuinely like to understand why people are enamored about such sports. In the end it seems like brilliant minds lost in math that’s not even novel anymore.. again everyone should do what they please, but this is just an academic question from someone unable to appreciate such skil…

Why care about racing when a motor vehicle can do travel at speed better, by that logic?

Boxing vs. gun fight. Fencing vs. well, gun fight. Swimming vs. motorboats? Bobsleigh vs... gravity?

In most sports it's possible to find a machine that does it better/faster, but sports are about humans measuring themselves against one another, not against a machine.

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Post by invalidusernam3 »

kareemsabri wrote: post #6

Kind of a basic question but how do you cheat at chess, especially "over the board" ?

With a computer. A simple way is to have a chess game on your machine playing at the most difficult setting. You enter your opponent's move, the computer plays a move in response which you then replicate in the game against your opponent.

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Post by FooHentai »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #18
tibbar wrote: post #2

For context, Magnus withdrew from a major tournament last month after losing to Hans. He has not made a statement, but it is understood that he suspects Hans of cheating. Hans has admitted to cheating online, though he denies cheating in person. As more evidence comes out, it seems that Hans has cheated a lot more than he admitted, and potentially over the board as well (for example, this analysis [1] shows that he's…

I don’t understand why people are going out their way to justify Carlsen attitude. What we have is the world champion throwing a tantrum because he lost against a player there is absolutely no evidence has cheated against him and is now calling for him to be expelled despite having no evidence whatsoever. This is harassment pure and simple. The whole thing is disgraceful and reflects extremely badly on competitive ch…

I'm with Carlsen on this. If you're caught or admit to cheating even once in a professional competitive career that's it - You should be out for good. That we have this bizarre attitude of permissiveness and time salvation around cheaters in competition is frankly bizarre. What other argument is there than to refuse to engage. It is not difficult to simply never cheat, in the same way that it is not difficult to simply never murder anyone.

Honestly, bravo. He's at the point in his career that he really doesn't need to prove anything, and as such is uniquely positioned to make this kind of statement with at least a vague chance that it will be heeded.

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Post by finikytou »

nkzd wrote: post #7

Interesting to see a prominent figure like Magnus acting childish. Brings them down to the level of the rest of us mortals.

chess is everything for him he gave it his life. I wonder how you will react when you deeply convinced that what is the dearest for you has been taken away by what you believe is 100% a cheater?
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