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Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boxing vs. gun fight. Fencing vs. well, gun fight. Swimming vs. motorboats? Bobsleigh vs... gravity? In most sports it's possible to find a machine that does it better/faster, but sports are about humans measuring themselves against one another, not against a machine.

There are still quite a bit of sports where machines can’t compete, like tennis or soccer.

*yet.

Also used to be true for chess.

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Interesting to see a prominent figure like Magnus acting childish. Brings them down to the level of the rest of us mortals.

chess is everything for him he gave it his life. I wonder how you will react when you deeply convinced that what is the dearest for you has been taken away by what you believe is 100% a cheater?

If you are deeply convinced someone is a cheater why not come out with a proper, official statement? Resigning like this is immature and ridiculous.

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Applying sound statistical methods to thousands of Niemann games, cheating expert Ken Regan finds no evidence of cheating [1]. > The verdict > Dr. Regan analyzed all of Hans Niemann's games over the last two years, including online games, such as played on Chess.com and their events, and his conclusion is there is no reason whatsoever to suspect him of cheating. The wide range of results in a bell curve, with some go…

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Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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For context, Magnus withdrew from a major tournament last month after losing to Hans. He has not made a statement, but it is understood that he suspects Hans of cheating. Hans has admitted to cheating online, though he denies cheating in person. As more evidence comes out, it seems that Hans has cheated a lot more than he admitted, and potentially over the board as well (for example, this analysis [1] shows that he's…

Even if it turns out Niemann cheated, the way Carlsen is acting coy about it puts me off. The tweet was bad enough (unlike Mourinho he's clearly not in "big trouble" from his insinuation), but this resignation is such a publicity stunt.

I think Carlsen's reaction is absolutely correct. He is just telling everyone "I think this is a cheater, and I won't play with cheaters". What's the problem with that?

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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I'm with Carlsen on this. If you're caught or admit to cheating even once in a professional competitive career that's it - You should be out for good. That we have this bizarre attitude of permissiveness and time salvation around cheaters in competition is frankly bizarre. What other argument is there than to refuse to engage. It is not difficult to simply never cheat, in the same way that it is not difficult to simp…

But online blitz chess when you're 16 is not "part of a professional competitive career".

It can be. Being professional doesn't mean being good, it means doing something for money, and there is money at stake in some online blitz tournaments.

One important question is whether Niemann has cheated in tournaments with prizes or "only" in ladder-type games (he's only admitted to the latter as I understand)

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

chess is everything for him he gave it his life. I wonder how you will react when you deeply convinced that what is the dearest for you has been taken away by what you believe is 100% a cheater?

If you are deeply convinced someone is a cheater why not come out with a proper, official statement? Resigning like this is immature and ridiculous.

its hard to prove. lets say you played millions of games, you deeply understand how a human mind plays chess but you can't write it down you just know it because it is your art and you practice it everyday for the major part of your life.

How do you explain to someone else this conviction?

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boxing vs. gun fight. Fencing vs. well, gun fight. Swimming vs. motorboats? Bobsleigh vs... gravity? In most sports it's possible to find a machine that does it better/faster, but sports are about humans measuring themselves against one another, not against a machine.

There are still quite a bit of sports where machines can’t compete, like tennis or soccer.

The guy from "Stuff Made Here" builds all sorts of sports machines: a gun-powered golf club, a basketball hoop that's impossible to miss, etc. I think he would be able to make a tennis playing machine that aces every single service shot (if he's not working on that already! ;-)

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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For context, Magnus withdrew from a major tournament last month after losing to Hans. He has not made a statement, but it is understood that he suspects Hans of cheating. Hans has admitted to cheating online, though he denies cheating in person. As more evidence comes out, it seems that Hans has cheated a lot more than he admitted, and potentially over the board as well (for example, this analysis [1] shows that he's…

This is a very uncharitable opinion that’s pretending to be a summary of a complex situation.

Follow discussions on r/chess and people like GothamChess, PowerPlayChess. Facts and very little speculation.

Evidence is needed.

Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move

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Applying sound statistical methods to thousands of Niemann games, cheating expert Ken Regan finds no evidence of cheating [1]. > The verdict > Dr. Regan analyzed all of Hans Niemann's games over the last two years, including online games, such as played on Chess.com and their events, and his conclusion is there is no reason whatsoever to suspect him of cheating. The wide range of results in a bell curve, with some go…

Even his online play where he admitted to cheating?

The online cheating occurred more than 2 years ago. The analysis covered the past 2 years.

Not that hard to reconcile......

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