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‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

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Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

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post #11

Serial was blowout success, but flawed in many ways. For me, chief amongst these is not updating the podcast with new (and potentially exculpatory) information as it came to light over the years. What really progressed the case was the Undisclosed podcast [0]. Rabia Chaudry, a childhood friend of Adnan and an attorney, first took Adnan's story to Sarah Koenig, who documented it in the Serial podcast. But in Undisclos…

    Exculpatory - tending to clear from a charge of fault or guilt.

Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

#102
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our justice system is pretty busted, to be honest. And it's end to end busted - we trust police too much and with too much power, we don't have enough public defenders to protect everyone, we have long backlogs of cases, court fees and fines can be unending even if you are innocent (to say nothing about civil asset forfeiture), people are goaded into plea deals for crimes they don't commit, our jury selection process…

To be honest I don’t understand how it’s thought that police have to much power. Especially since every case makes it’s way in front of a judge.

Police have the power to do this and get away with it.

https://youtu.be/VBUUx0jUKxc?t=200

Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

#103
post #68

I believe Adnan is factually guilty. Undoubtedly there were significant procedural failures and biases that played into his conviction, and those are a black mark on the justice system. But today is a tragedy for Hae Min Lee's family. Adnan could very likely be a redeemable man who acted unfathomably during a crime of passion. But at present he is an unrepentant murderer. How very sad.

If there was a failure in the justice system then he is not "factually guilty". That's the entire point. You either get a fair trial or you are innocent.

Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

#104
post #11

Serial was blowout success, but flawed in many ways. For me, chief amongst these is not updating the podcast with new (and potentially exculpatory) information as it came to light over the years. What really progressed the case was the Undisclosed podcast [0]. Rabia Chaudry, a childhood friend of Adnan and an attorney, first took Adnan's story to Sarah Koenig, who documented it in the Serial podcast. But in Undisclos…

Wow, lucky kid that his case got this much attention. It can't be the only ambiguous case out there.

There are many thousands more.

Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

#105

Does anyone know if the new evidence exonorates him or if it simply proved that the case and trial were mishandled?

He is not exonerated. The state has 30 days to decide whether they want to try him again, and I believe are waiting on some DNA test results to make that determination.

Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

#106
post #85

'Serial' was the podcast that launched all podcasts. It was the defining podcast. It isn't that it was hyper monetized or incredibly financially successful; simply it showed that the audience was there. It has over 340 million listens as of 2018 . With this eviction of conviction, I suspect that number will be over a billion. It is fitting that it has come full circle and fulfilled the ultimate purpose of investigati…

> 'Serial' was the podcast that launched all podcasts. It feels like we were listening to This American Life in podcast form in the car for at least five years before Serial even existed. And Serial was being marketed on TAL during what I'd describe as TAL's slow decline from popularity, with Ira personally shilling for Serial and teasing the first entire episode on TAL, IIRC. If either of these were responsible for…

The difference is that TAL is a radio show that was also distributed as podcast.

Serial was only a podcast.

Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

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To me this proves the party with the loudest voice and most money wins in the long run, or the squeaky wheel gets the grease. They just made a big enough stink for long enough that eventually someone caved in. I followed the podcast and definitely didn’t think the case that he was innocent was very strong. Reminds me of The Staircase, but with more social justice and identity politics to really muddy the conversation.

The victim’s family wasn’t even given a heads up or time to prepare and find a lawyer to speak at the hearing.

Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

#108
post #75
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is not "factually guilty". The cell tower ping evidence was basically all the "science" the state had against him, and it was the foundation for the constantly evolving and self-contradictory claims of the state's key witness, Jay Wilds. I don't know what Jay's deal is (seems very implausible that he was the murderer), but with the cell tower pings being all but useless for tracking location, then Jay's stories ar…

We can't just disregard Jay's testimony -- he led police to Hae's car. He discusses some inconsistencies here: https://theintercept.com/2014/12/29/exclusive-interview-jay-... Edit: A Reddit comment claims to identify more inconsistencies in the interview: https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2xytci/comme...

How Jay came to know where the car was parked is indeed confusing -- because it's hard to believe how the cops could know about it before him, which would presumably be a prerequisite for the cops conspiring with Jay to frame Adnan.

But according to the state's motion to vacate[0], the car was parked near the home of one of the current alternate suspects, i.e. one of the suspects whose existence the cops and district attorney for unknown reasons, illegally withheld from the defense. So I can't explain why Jay would know where Hae's car was parked, but that mystery is ultimately superseded by the mystery of the police's handling of the alternate suspects.

[0] https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/bs-md-ci-cr-adnan-sy...

Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

#109

'Serial' was the podcast that launched all podcasts. It was the defining podcast. It isn't that it was hyper monetized or incredibly financially successful; simply it showed that the audience was there. It has over 340 million listens as of 2018 . With this eviction of conviction, I suspect that number will be over a billion. It is fitting that it has come full circle and fulfilled the ultimate purpose of investigati…

Podcasts have been a thing since the mid-2000s or so. The name comes from the fact that you were supposed to download them and listen to them on your iPod. It may be a popular, influential podcast that established norms for the true-crime podcast format, but calling it the podcast that launched all podcasts is like calling JavaScript the language that launched all languages.
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