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‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed
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Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would love to hear from an actual neutral legal party if that's actually the case. Adnan had a motive and a strong testimony against him from an accomplice who's story had checked out. Is it actually a big miss to not rule out every possible suspect? But on your broader point, I largely agree that anyone freed from unnecessarily long and potentially unjust prison sentences is a good thing.
Jay's story "checked out" because it matched the cell phone evidence and also the testimony of another witness. The problem was that the cell phone evidence was later proven to be completely misinterpreted, and the other witness's testimony apparently misremembered the day (it was something along the lines of her being in class at a certain key time). Without those, it sounds like there's nothing left for his story t…
We're forgetting that Jay knew the location of key evidence.
The cellphone data was only "misinterpreted" in that it was not a slam dunk, but we can still conclude they don't line up with Adnan's testimony for the day.
> witness's testimony apparently misremembered the day
... based entirely on a random interview about what another person remembered 20 years later.
Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed
#73'Serial' was the podcast that launched all podcasts. It was the defining podcast. It isn't that it was hyper monetized or incredibly financially successful; simply it showed that the audience was there. It has over 340 million listens as of 2018 . With this eviction of conviction, I suspect that number will be over a billion. It is fitting that it has come full circle and fulfilled the ultimate purpose of investigati…
This assertion has always been strange to me. This American Life was releasing their episodes as podcasts for something like 7 years before they decided to do Serial. Shows like Adam Corolla, WTF with Marc Maron, the BS Report, Joe Rogan Experience, etc were all very successful before Serial. Major media companies like NPR, CBC, BBC were releasing podcasts and dedicated podcast companies like TWiT.tv had existed for years. I think you can kind of credit Serial for popularizing true crime podcasts but it gets way too much credit for the success for the medium.
Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed
#74Serial was blowout success, but flawed in many ways. For me, chief amongst these is not updating the podcast with new (and potentially exculpatory) information as it came to light over the years. What really progressed the case was the Undisclosed podcast [0]. Rabia Chaudry, a childhood friend of Adnan and an attorney, first took Adnan's story to Sarah Koenig, who documented it in the Serial podcast. But in Undisclos…
I was uneasy with "Serial". Too much obsession I thought with the accused, scant discussion of the murdered. It was just a sad, dark place I felt it was asking me to be a voyeur of. But, yeah, I guess I don't like "true crime" entertainment.
Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed
#75I believe Adnan is factually guilty. Undoubtedly there were significant procedural failures and biases that played into his conviction, and those are a black mark on the justice system. But today is a tragedy for Hae Min Lee's family. Adnan could very likely be a redeemable man who acted unfathomably during a crime of passion. But at present he is an unrepentant murderer. How very sad.
He is not "factually guilty". The cell tower ping evidence was basically all the "science" the state had against him, and it was the foundation for the constantly evolving and self-contradictory claims of the state's key witness, Jay Wilds. I don't know what Jay's deal is (seems very implausible that he was the murderer), but with the cell tower pings being all but useless for tracking location, then Jay's stories ar…
We can't just disregard Jay's testimony -- he led police to Hae's car.
He discusses some inconsistencies here: https://theintercept.com/2014/12/29/exclusive-interview-jay-...
Edit: A Reddit comment claims to identify more inconsistencies in the interview: https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2xytci/comme...
Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed
#76I believe Adnan is factually guilty. Undoubtedly there were significant procedural failures and biases that played into his conviction, and those are a black mark on the justice system. But today is a tragedy for Hae Min Lee's family. Adnan could very likely be a redeemable man who acted unfathomably during a crime of passion. But at present he is an unrepentant murderer. How very sad.
He is not "factually guilty". The cell tower ping evidence was basically all the "science" the state had against him, and it was the foundation for the constantly evolving and self-contradictory claims of the state's key witness, Jay Wilds. I don't know what Jay's deal is (seems very implausible that he was the murderer), but with the cell tower pings being all but useless for tracking location, then Jay's stories ar…
I have changed my comment to add 'I believe'. But I do think that if you simply look at the basic evidence you can only logically conclude that he is guilty. Certainly Jay has tried to paint himself in the best light possible, but he admitted to helping Adnan and took the cops to the car. Adnan admits to being with Jay on the day of the murder. This alone means that if either Jay or Adnan are telling any form of truth, then he is guilty. While obviously not evidence enough for conviction, the fact alone that Adnan never tried to call or page Hae after the day of the murder, even though he had continued to reach out continuously prior, has no other explanation in my view.
Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed
#77I'm wondering if anyone here has real insight into the economics of his situation at this point. On one hand it seems like his life has been ruined by the state after spending 20+ years in prison, costing his family everything in legal fees, and forever being associated with this murder. I feel like anyone wrongfully convicted (or even just accused) should have some serious recourse but I suspect that there isn't any…
No.
Going to prison in the United States ruins your life.
Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed
#78I believe Adnan is factually guilty. Undoubtedly there were significant procedural failures and biases that played into his conviction, and those are a black mark on the justice system. But today is a tragedy for Hae Min Lee's family. Adnan could very likely be a redeemable man who acted unfathomably during a crime of passion. But at present he is an unrepentant murderer. How very sad.
> failures and biases that played into his conviction
People are playing this up both ways.
Had he not been convicted it would have been another example of police ignoring crimes against minorities.
Regardless of the outcomes, it seems like investigators did a pretty okay job of focusing on whodunit. The only mark against them was that due to fallout from the war on drugs, their primary witness was afraid to talk to them and two other key suspects weren't provided to the court because of pending drug investigations.
Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed
#79I believe Adnan is factually guilty. Undoubtedly there were significant procedural failures and biases that played into his conviction, and those are a black mark on the justice system. But today is a tragedy for Hae Min Lee's family. Adnan could very likely be a redeemable man who acted unfathomably during a crime of passion. But at present he is an unrepentant murderer. How very sad.
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Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed
#80'Serial' was the podcast that launched all podcasts. It was the defining podcast. It isn't that it was hyper monetized or incredibly financially successful; simply it showed that the audience was there. It has over 340 million listens as of 2018 . With this eviction of conviction, I suspect that number will be over a billion. It is fitting that it has come full circle and fulfilled the ultimate purpose of investigati…
Karl Pilkington was eating a knob at night a decade prior.
Still the funniest "3 people just having a chat and being funny" podcast in existence. Cumtown doesn't hold a candle to it imo