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Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by shuntress »

unethical_ban wrote: post #85
SayMyName wrote: post #8

Odd article considering everything is still software locked to the phone. Sure it's easier to repair, but if you get your parts from anywhere else than apple's program directly, a lot of features will stop working. Hugh Jeffreys made a video interchanging parts on two brand new iphone's and it disabled a lot of things including auto-brightness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2WhU77ihw8

I've been thinking about a future where deepfakes/AI are more everyday (which is soon). I can imagine Apple doing some kind of hardware-level signing of camera and video data, so that any image shot by an iPhone/iPad would have a signature declaring that is was not edited by the user in any way. Details on whether RAW or any kind of auto-cleanup could be included. In other words, a chain-of-custody kind of thing so t…

And "Real Apple Hardware" supporting "Real Apple ID" on every device in the network.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by noptd »

spideymans wrote: post #113
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #95

>Apple has completely redesigned the internals of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair HN: Easier for who? Quote from the video: "We're hearing reports of Apple continuing on the hostile path of pairing parts to the phone, requiring activation of the back glass after installation. Why in the world would you need permission to install a sheet of glass?! Using software to prevent the replacement of components with…

Apple’s Activation Lock lead to a substantial drop in smartphone theft worldwide. That’s something worthy of consideration. Apple must not re-incentivize phone theft to harvest parts. https://techcrunch.com/2015/02/11/apples-activation-lock-lea...

Activation lock is effectively a remote kill switch, which have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by dkonofalski »

spookthesunset wrote: post #88
dmitrygr wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your plan has serious a flaw. Imagine this timeline: 1. steal iphone A 2. split it into parts 3. install parts into iPhone B 4. parts not yet marked stolen, they work, check passes 5. Iphone A marked stolen ...

You are missing step 6, which is for iphone B to stop working after step 5. And part 6 would also include some kind of nasty "your phone has stolen parts in it" message to the user. Just like the "don't boot with non-registered hardware", this is all software and can be changed. Maybe in future releases of iOS they change how this "check for legit parts" process works.

I don't think they missed it. I think this is exactly the flaw they're pointing out.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by ohadron »

lawgimenez wrote: post #144

> It’s an upgrade so seamless that the best tech reviewers in the world didn’t notice. I think it’s bad taste on how he keeps on knocking tech reviewers. Of course they won’t notice because they don’t open phones for a living.

I think he meant that though the redesign is comprehensive an it's basically a different phone from the inside, reviewers still considered it an exact same design externally.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by noptd »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #146
spideymans wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple’s Activation Lock lead to a substantial drop in smartphone theft worldwide. That’s something worthy of consideration. Apple must not re-incentivize phone theft to harvest parts. https://techcrunch.com/2015/02/11/apples-activation-lock-lea...

But what if I want to transplant a part from my old phone to a phone same model that I both legitimately own? Why should Apple be the one to stop me? Why not let the user enable/disable the SW lock, like a lo-jack? Do you live in an area where phone theft is rampant? Ok, then leave SW lock enabled on your phone's parts. Do you want to legitimately transplant parts off your old phone to your new phone? Then let the us…

Exactly, it's such an easy problem to solve if you're actually interested in solving it which makes it quite obvious that Apple isn't.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by shuntress »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #63

Apple Care + is going to become an insane profit center and an absolute no brainer when purchasing a new Apple device. This puts Apple’s recent “no limit to accidental repairs” policy update in perspective. When I saw that I said, “well I guess this is how they are going to use their cash reserves, because no way will this be net profitable” To boot, I always wondered why it was so cheap - $200 for AC+ then $29 per s…

I think you are forgetting about everyone who pays for "Peace of Mind" and never breaks their phone.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by hot_gril »

> Forget satellite SOS and the larger camera, the headline is this: Apple has completely redesigned the internals of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair.

This made me chuckle. I'm willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of users care far more about the camera than the repairability. The latter is hardly even something they consider. It will probably help them in unseen ways, like improving resale value.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by Spivak »

tjoff wrote: post #61
Veliladon wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other thing is that Apple is trying to make things harder for people with large amounts of resources (think nation states) to exfiltrate data by using pwned components. Like when you take it into a repair shop, how do you know that the replacement part isn't compromised? If I was replacing the front facing FaceID complex I sure as hell would want verifiable Apple gear and it to be paired to the phone. Why would I…

If you give your phone to an adversary with large amounts of resources it is game over. If you have to worry about that I most certainly would hope that you wouldn't leave your phone to a repair-shop.

Everyone keeps parroting this like it's 1995 but infinite resources doesn't really help you. In the US FBI case they happened to chain a few now patched exploits in the lightning port that did nothing except allow them the ability to brute force the password. Had the password been strong it would have been game over.

Regular, run of the mill encryption you can download at every corner store can withstand attacks from nation states.

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Post by eastbound »

sp332 wrote: post #139
Melatonic wrote: post #124

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Most people surely are not going to use it so how is it going to be a loss? Do people actually break their iphones every year?

Apple Care only costs $200 per phone. One person replacing a $1,000 phone wipes out five people's worth of revenue.

Phones are automatically dismounted in a special factory. It doesn’t cost $1000.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by dkonofalski »

shuntress wrote: post #154
dkonofalski wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't even have a case on my phone (and never have on any phone in the past) and have never had an incident. I know at least 5 people that have broken their phones more than 4 times per year and they all use cases. Some people just do not treat their electronics like the expensive devices they are.

Some people expect their expensive tools to withstand the rigors of daily use.

Dropping devices on concrete is not "daily use". That's like saying that people should expect cars to be unaffected by randomly crashing into walls.
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