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Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by boucher »

rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #78
boucher wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're conflating multiple issues. Having the right to repair is valuable and desirable, even if it's not actually easy to do the repair. I think we've gone too far down the road of not owning anything we buy, and thus having no rights to use things outside of narrow legal agreements nobody even reads. Making the device easier to repair is also desirable, both for Apple and for third parties, because these things bre…

> right to repair is valuable and desirable, even if it's not actually easy to do the repair Huh? If the act of repairing is difficult (and extremely, in Apple’s case), then do you actually have the right, or is it only a right on paper? Is Right to Repair nothing more than printing out manuals no matter how difficult the process of repair itself is?

Nobody actively wants it to be difficult, but if you don't even have the actual legal right to modify the hardware or software it doesn't matter how easy it is.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by makeitdouble »

incanus77 wrote: post #42
rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #23

I’m not sure I care much about repairability. For me, makers should have the freedom to design products as they wish. I don’t think that phones and laptops would be as light and portable as iPhones and Macs are if Apple was inhibited by the Right to Repair movement from arranging internal components in such a jampacked way. I also think that makers should have the freedom to design computers whose software tightly in…

> If people didn’t want tight integration, then products that are built specifically for tight integration are just not the right tool for the job that they want to do, and I don’t understand why they can’t simply choose not to buy the product. This, a million times. I never understand the take “this product is a runaway, worldwide success, and I want to use it as well because it’s by far the best, but I also want va…

To note, it would be a waste of everyone’s time to scrutinize a product that has almost no users; it would need to have a really atrocious effect to make it worth considering.

It’s exactly because it’s a runaway success that people care about repairability, environmental impact etc.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by layer8 »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #63

Apple Care + is going to become an insane profit center and an absolute no brainer when purchasing a new Apple device. This puts Apple’s recent “no limit to accidental repairs” policy update in perspective. When I saw that I said, “well I guess this is how they are going to use their cash reserves, because no way will this be net profitable” To boot, I always wondered why it was so cheap - $200 for AC+ then $29 per s…

So far, not buying AC+ has had better amortized cost for me.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by [deleted] »

SayMyName wrote: post #8

Odd article considering everything is still software locked to the phone. Sure it's easier to repair, but if you get your parts from anywhere else than apple's program directly, a lot of features will stop working. Hugh Jeffreys made a video interchanging parts on two brand new iphone's and it disabled a lot of things including auto-brightness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2WhU77ihw8

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

>Apple has completely redesigned the internals of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair HN:

Easier for who? Quote from the video:

"We're hearing reports of Apple continuing on the hostile path of pairing parts to the phone, requiring activation of the back glass after installation. Why in the world would you need permission to install a sheet of glass?! Using software to prevent the replacement of components with aftermarket parts gets a big thumbs-dwon from us."

Let's call it like it is. Apple is not doing you a favor for easier repairability, they're doing their bottom line a favor. If they actually cared, they wouldn't be so hostile to software lock you out of replacing a bloody glass panel.

The internal design is still greatly thought out though. I've been asking myself for years: why can't phone makers make phones with a mid frame that allow both sides to be easily swapped out, instead of one or another. Seems like Apple has cracked it. I hope other phone makers copy this minus the SW locks.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by kiririn »

This brings back memories of the Xperia Z1 Compact (+ several later generations) that used this same design of gluing the screen and back glass independently to a mid frame.

Unfortunately they are not good memories. The slightest, barely visible bend or sub-par repair and the back glass would peel up in one corner and coat the underside of the camera in dust and condensation

I’m not sure I would risk buying a phone with this design again. Apple will have to have worked some serious magic to make it strong and robust

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by crisdux »

Totally speculating here. I wonder if this is preparing for a future where Apple encounters supply issues or pricing pressure caused by environmental and political turmoil. I could see the average lifespan of devices continuing to increase and more people using repair services. It also makes it easier to refurb devices for second hand use.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by Swenrekcah »

dmitrygr wrote: post #69
Swenrekcah wrote: post #54

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I did actually think of that but decided it would be a net good. People would learn to buy from trusted sources (which would probably work in Apple's favour) and also it would out the thieves in a rather unfortunate way for them, so they'd probably get the reputation they deserve rather quickly.

You miss the point. I do not care what "the people" learn. I care that my car window is not smashed if some low-life sees an iPhone inside, cause it is known that it holds no value if stolen.

Yeah I mean I get that. I'm assuming enough people would care to mark their devices stolen so that the same happens.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by sosull »

tjoff wrote: post #61
Veliladon wrote: post #33

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The other thing is that Apple is trying to make things harder for people with large amounts of resources (think nation states) to exfiltrate data by using pwned components. Like when you take it into a repair shop, how do you know that the replacement part isn't compromised? If I was replacing the front facing FaceID complex I sure as hell would want verifiable Apple gear and it to be paired to the phone. Why would I…

If you give your phone to an adversary with large amounts of resources it is game over. If you have to worry about that I most certainly would hope that you wouldn't leave your phone to a repair-shop.

It’s a very fair point, but stranger things have happened. Case in point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controvers...

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by kube-system »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #72
dijit wrote: post #29

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> but they’re super difficult to use I can't read the link as it's paywalled: but my understanding of the Apple tools is that they're hilariously over-engineered; not that they're hard to use.

The tools are made to guarantee a factory-quality repair, complete with stock levels of part fit and water resistance, regardless of the skill level of who’s using it. That can’t really be done in a way that’s not overengineered and bulky.

I’d argue that they’re not over engineered at all. They’re engineered for a particular purpose. Which is: Apple doing warranty repair.

I love how people used to complain that Apple didn’t make their tools available, and now people complain that their tools are too nice. Well duh, did people think that Apple was using hairdryers and guitar picks for warranty work?

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