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Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by spookthesunset »

cududa wrote: post #50
Bud wrote: post #39

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"hilariously over-engineered" read: "not crap"

I mean I can take pictures underwater with a freakin phone. I guess you could call that "over engineering" but I also understand that means maintaining that type of device integrity would require some heavy lifting to service the device after it's been sealed up.

> I also understand that means maintaining that type of device integrity would require some heavy lifting to service the device after it's been sealed up.

Wel;l... it did require heavy lifting but according to this article that is no longer the case! Sure you'll still need a bunch of specialized tools for handling super small components but it is miles ahead of what it once was.

It took me a while to come around to the idea of "right to repair" because I had the same concerns many people here have. To make it repairable would mean to sacrifice a bunch of stuff like waterproofing and weight. But I guess with this new iphone it's "game on" for repairability. Which is awesome.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by ImprobableTruth »

rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #67
smoldesu wrote: post #40

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Apple has proven with this iPhone (as have other manufacturers) that these goals don't need to be mutually exclusive. You can have wild products designed in all manner of ways (with satellite connectivity!!!), they just need to be user-servicable. That's not an unreasonable request for a company with 200 billion dollars sitting in their R&D coffers. Right-to-repair regulation isn't about stifling innovation, it's abo…

So if our goal is to prolong the lifecycle of consumer electronics, then repairability isn’t a necessary metric. If regulators instead went after service pricing abuse, that would force companies like Apple to drive down their repair prices—which might force them to design their hardware in a more modular manner, but not necessarily, so that if it becomes negligibly cheap to manufacture and replace the entire part of…

>If regulators instead went after service pricing abuse

How would this work in a manner that isn't vastly more invasive than right to repair bills? I can't think of anything similar.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by thepasswordis »

incanus77 wrote: post #19
thepasswordis wrote: post #11

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Ah, so there is a way to disable auto brightness! Are there any aftermarket upgrades which will also permanently disable "live photos"?

Settings > Camera > Preserve Settings > Live Photo

Yeah I've done this. It somehow keeps getting turned back on wether it gets grazed by my finger, an update happens and resets the setting, or whatever else.

I'm saying i want a way that disables it and then prevents it from ever being re-enabled.

Also: it's a joke.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by spookthesunset »

fodmap wrote: post #16
mmazing wrote: post #5

https://valkyrie.cdn.ifixit.com/media/2022/09/18133349/iPhon... Uh, look at that wonky Qualcomm SDR735 chip. Actually looking at it a bit closer it seems like the board was destroyed during disassembly?

Not only that, in the previous picture you can see some smd components have been blown away as well. https://valkyrie.cdn.ifixit.com/media/2022/09/18133340/iPhon...

I noticed that too. They might have been poking and prodding around with the different chips or something to see what is inside. That or it is the result of aggressively removing all the shielding. Sure threw me for a loop though.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by unethical_ban »

SayMyName wrote: post #8

Odd article considering everything is still software locked to the phone. Sure it's easier to repair, but if you get your parts from anywhere else than apple's program directly, a lot of features will stop working. Hugh Jeffreys made a video interchanging parts on two brand new iphone's and it disabled a lot of things including auto-brightness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2WhU77ihw8

I've been thinking about a future where deepfakes/AI are more everyday (which is soon).

I can imagine Apple doing some kind of hardware-level signing of camera and video data, so that any image shot by an iPhone/iPad would have a signature declaring that is was not edited by the user in any way. Details on whether RAW or any kind of auto-cleanup could be included.

In other words, a chain-of-custody kind of thing so that images can be asserted as real vs. created by a computer.

Depending on how such a system would be implemented, this would require "real Apple hardware" from the ground up.

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Post by phpisthebest »

buildbot wrote: post #36
Veliladon wrote: post #33

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The other thing is that Apple is trying to make things harder for people with large amounts of resources (think nation states) to exfiltrate data by using pwned components. Like when you take it into a repair shop, how do you know that the replacement part isn't compromised? If I was replacing the front facing FaceID complex I sure as hell would want verifiable Apple gear and it to be paired to the phone. Why would I…

This exactly. To have a more secure device this is one of the trade offs. Can you imagine the articles if you could swap out faceID systems to unlock an encrypted iphone?

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by spiderfarmer »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #63

Apple Care + is going to become an insane profit center and an absolute no brainer when purchasing a new Apple device. This puts Apple’s recent “no limit to accidental repairs” policy update in perspective. When I saw that I said, “well I guess this is how they are going to use their cash reserves, because no way will this be net profitable” To boot, I always wondered why it was so cheap - $200 for AC+ then $29 per s…

Commercial repairmen are already pretty quick with repairs, if this make repairs easier, they will make more money as well.

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Post by spookthesunset »

dmitrygr wrote: post #43
Swenrekcah wrote: post #26

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That goal could presumably also be accomplished by enabling the owner to check a "stolen" box in their iCloud and after that all serialized parts of that phone go on a blacklist. An iPhone checks every day or something if any of it's parts are blacklisted and refuses to work if true. To prevent a massive attack on Apple by corrupting the blacklist, the phones would only perform this check if any of the factory parts…

Your plan has serious a flaw. Imagine this timeline: 1. steal iphone A 2. split it into parts 3. install parts into iPhone B 4. parts not yet marked stolen, they work, check passes 5. Iphone A marked stolen ...

You are missing step 6, which is for iphone B to stop working after step 5. And part 6 would also include some kind of nasty "your phone has stolen parts in it" message to the user.

Just like the "don't boot with non-registered hardware", this is all software and can be changed. Maybe in future releases of iOS they change how this "check for legit parts" process works.

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Post by Someone1234 »

devrand wrote: post #27
SayMyName wrote: post #8

Odd article considering everything is still software locked to the phone. Sure it's easier to repair, but if you get your parts from anywhere else than apple's program directly, a lot of features will stop working. Hugh Jeffreys made a video interchanging parts on two brand new iphone's and it disabled a lot of things including auto-brightness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2WhU77ihw8

This does coincide with Apple changing Applecare+ to cover an unlimited number of incidents. Their motivation was simply to streamline their own internal repairs?

That "unlimited" thing only impacts a very small number of devices. It is a better headline than reality. Previously you could have two accidental damage incidents PER YEAR, which means four for a standard Applecare+ 24 months plan.

How many people, realistically, had over four accidental damage incidents in a two-year period wherein they benefit from this "unlimited" change? As I said, it is good marketing, a very niche change in reality.

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Post by adhesive_wombat »

Spivak wrote: post #52
dijit wrote: post #29

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> but they’re super difficult to use I can't read the link as it's paywalled: but my understanding of the Apple tools is that they're hilariously over-engineered; not that they're hard to use.

They just seem engineered to a different market, their own repair techs. Bulky doesn’t matter, expensive doesn’t matter. Being absolutely completely foolproof when used by non-expert techs with a few weeks training and having as little risk of damaging the device at possible does matter.

Also they need to work day in, day out, for years, not just a couple of times.

Which can sometimes end up in James Webbification, as the more expensive and robust it gets, the more likely it's the only one and the higher the stakes if it breaks. So you make it more over-engineered and expensive.

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