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Sim NIMBY, the Game Where You Can’t Build Anything

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Re: Sim NIMBY, the Game Where You Can’t Build Anything

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kiba wrote: post #18
zbrozek wrote: post #17

You should be allowed to build parking in Sim NIMBY. I've never heard a NIMBY oppose more parking. Heaven forbid you allow people too. The federal government needs to strengthen property rights if they want to see more housing at lower prices. I don't think they realize the degree of the housing disaster or its long term impacts on the economy yet. A lot of millennials are aging out of childbearing without having had…

I think we need to reconceptualize property rights. Instead of something you 'own', it's valuable resources that you rented from the community. Rich people gets to use the most valuable land, but they will also likely pay more, and also likely to use it more efficiently, unlike today where you have landowners who sat on lands worth million of dollars and oppose development. This is land hoarding and it's not good.

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Re: Sim NIMBY, the Game Where You Can’t Build Anything

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Post by Steltek »

pessimizer wrote: post #34
Steltek wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law

It's easy not to suffer from Brandolini's law if your entire comment is a generic dismissal. It's a lot harder if you have something to say.

Relating the military industrial complex to what you see in local zoning board meetings is completely asinine. Lockheed Martin is not astroturfing the redevelopment of the long abandoned Taco Bell around the corner.

Lazy bullshit does not merit anyone's precious time.

Re: Sim NIMBY, the Game Where You Can’t Build Anything

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Post by jquery »

pessimizer wrote: post #28

> He lived in San Francisco before moving to Brooklyn This makes these guys seem like roving wealthy YIMBY gentrifiers from central casting. Going from trendy attractive spot to trendy attractive spot, complaining about the rent and the locals.

NIMBY has been stretched so far beyond its original idea it just means “anyone who doesn’t want to live in a skyscraper mega city”. The idea that a 6x6km piece of land is in any way responsible for homelessness in America, is absurd.

Brooklyn has plenty of housing. San Francisco has plenty of housing. What they lack is cheap housing. Housing is a human right. Cheap housing that displaces and disenfranchises the locals because you see them all like the Old Man in Up? Not a human right.

Re: Sim NIMBY, the Game Where You Can’t Build Anything

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Post by jquery »

dionidium wrote: post #40
pessimizer wrote: post #28

> He lived in San Francisco before moving to Brooklyn This makes these guys seem like roving wealthy YIMBY gentrifiers from central casting. Going from trendy attractive spot to trendy attractive spot, complaining about the rent and the locals.

In the United States you're allowed to move wherever you want to move and you don't have to check in with "the locals" first to see if that's OK. It's always OK. And thank god for that. In every case where locals are able to direct policy they make absurd decisions that make everything worse for everybody. If lots of people want to live in Brooklyn, then they should obviously be allowed to do that. And developers sho…

Seems like the well-connected “game developers” had no problem doing just that.

Re: Sim NIMBY, the Game Where You Can’t Build Anything

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

elzbardico wrote: post #21

The American problem is not one of a lack of houses. This is just a symptom. The American Problem is the combination of Income and Wealth Concentration. And those problems were created by asset inflation from Central Banks' manipulation of currency, the ideologies of too-big-to-fail and trickle-down-economics, predatory de-regulation, hostility to labor organization, warmongerism and widespread paranoia that only ser…

I blame the whole "American Dream" thing, this silly notion that anybody can become rich with enough hard work. It's led to a lot of poor people thinking they're not poor, just a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. Or people that work hard but aren't gathering wealth blame other people for their lack of success.

The result is that when someone proposes raising taxes on the uber-wealthy, people making $40,000/year go into a panic thinking it'll ever affect them.

Re: Sim NIMBY, the Game Where You Can’t Build Anything

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Post by zbrozek »

pessimizer wrote: post #25
zbrozek wrote: post #17

You should be allowed to build parking in Sim NIMBY. I've never heard a NIMBY oppose more parking. Heaven forbid you allow people too. The federal government needs to strengthen property rights if they want to see more housing at lower prices. I don't think they realize the degree of the housing disaster or its long term impacts on the economy yet. A lot of millennials are aging out of childbearing without having had…

> You should be allowed to build parking in Sim NIMBY. Really? If you're playing as the YIMBY against NIMBYs, isn't one of your main goals to build housing without parking?

Right. It's Sim NIMBY, not Sim YIMBY.

Re: Sim NIMBY, the Game Where You Can’t Build Anything

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Post by shagie »

fudgefactorfive wrote: post #12
nosianu wrote: post #4

About that example in the text, new housing to solve the homeless problem (anti-)NIMBYism. Would it? I'm not so sure. Wouldn't most if not almost all of the homeless just remain what they are and the new housing would be used by new people moving into the city? Unless there is a program actively moving homeless into the new housing, paying for them, and also a services to take care of mental health issues. For how ma…

The vast majority of homeless/unhoused people are completely normal healthy adults that had one bad turn in life and could not get back. In a 2016 Census, only about 12% of the homeless population aged 15 and up were actually unable to work due to various maladies[0]. According to the same census report a whopping 62% of homeless males were currently employed . The issue is not to just remember the 3 or 4 homeless pe…

> The issue is not to just remember the 3 or 4 homeless people you've seen clearly dazed and likely unable to work, it's the thousands of people living in their car because rent is unaffordable for their income. That's the first point, abundance of housing lowers rents to the point of being affordable to Minimum-Wage workers.

For a bit aged, but probably still reasonably accurate article backing this up:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/05/california-h...

> Other parts of California have seen similar increases. Los Angeles county had a 12% increase in the homeless population over the last year, with the numbers surging to nearly 59,000 across the county. Officials tallied 9,981 cars, vans, RVs and campers acting as shelters for a staggering 16,525 people in 2019 – 28% of the county’s entire unhoused population.

Re: Sim NIMBY, the Game Where You Can’t Build Anything

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Post by beej71 »

pdeffebach wrote: post #33
elzbardico wrote: post #21

The American problem is not one of a lack of houses. This is just a symptom. The American Problem is the combination of Income and Wealth Concentration. And those problems were created by asset inflation from Central Banks' manipulation of currency, the ideologies of too-big-to-fail and trickle-down-economics, predatory de-regulation, hostility to labor organization, warmongerism and widespread paranoia that only ser…

> The American problem is not one of a lack of houses. This is just a symptom. We made it illegal to build housing, so we don't have enough housing. We could fix our housing crisis by re-legalizing housing _without_ fixing all of the (very real) problems you describe. You are simply engaging in whataboutism which will _not_ solve our housing crisis.

I live in one of the most overpriced places in the US and they're building like mad, and just annexed a massive parcel into the city to build residential.

They wanted to put up an apartment block, as well, but NIMBYs have held it up.

I think the issue is more complex than housing regulations (which also certainly play a role).

Re: Sim NIMBY, the Game Where You Can’t Build Anything

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Post by lostmsu »

dionidium wrote: post #40
pessimizer wrote: post #28

> He lived in San Francisco before moving to Brooklyn This makes these guys seem like roving wealthy YIMBY gentrifiers from central casting. Going from trendy attractive spot to trendy attractive spot, complaining about the rent and the locals.

In the United States you're allowed to move wherever you want to move and you don't have to check in with "the locals" first to see if that's OK. It's always OK. And thank god for that. In every case where locals are able to direct policy they make absurd decisions that make everything worse for everybody. If lots of people want to live in Brooklyn, then they should obviously be allowed to do that. And developers sho…

I don't think that's exactly true with HOAs.
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