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It is pretty common in most US states to own ip developed outside work hours. The concept is pretty simple: by default, your employer is paying you for the ideas you generate, and this could happen at home. Imagine you work in cold fusion research and you spend your days performing tests and reading papers. If you have a dream and wake up with a solution, this is part of what your employer has been paying you for, an…
In case I couldn't make it clear so far, I defend that either of the following conditions should hold for employer to claim rights: (a) IP is developed using company resources (time, equipment, etc.) or (b) IP is within the scope of company's business. > your employer is paying you for the ideas you generate, and this could happen at home. If employer's idea is about company's business, then yes, I would say that the…
Ask HN: How to validate a startup idea whilst employed?
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> This is usually when you're on company time with company assets. If you're at home/coffee shop and off the clock and on your assets/pc its your IP… what you're saying does not sound right/legal from my perspective. Employers need to know what their assets are, what they own. It greatly simplifies things for them if you have a contract that assigns them ownership of any invention you come up with while you’re their…
What would you consider formal business activities?
Re: Ask HN: How to validate a startup idea whilst employed?
#113Don't tell your employer. Don't incorporate until after you've quit your job. If you want to launch before quitting your job, consider using a merchant of record (e.g. Paddle) so you don't even need to incorporate. I'm assuming you're not competing with your employer, nor are you building your startup on your employer's time or with your employer's resources, in which case there's nothing wrong with this approach eth…
Paypal has supported personal accounts since the 90s. Stripe supports personal accounts. Google/Apple/Amazon/MS/Steam/Gumroad and others will all work individuals as well as businesses.
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#114Unless you are building a deep-tech product (blockchain, AI stuffs), try to put together your project using pre-made parts. I'd recommend taking a look at Low-code/No-code tool. When you have validated your product against the market, you can then quit and focus full time on the project.
I have personally help a few startup firms build their MVP using those pre-made parts to validate their idea. Some of them works, but for those failed, they didn't waste too much time and money on it. Those ideas that work, they quickly turned to a full-fledged solution and ditched the MVP.
About the legal aspect, I think that unless the contract really specifies the IP laws, I think it's gonna be alright. Maybe consult a Lawyer about it?
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#115Don't overthink it. You can validate the idea using SEO tools, check if the competitors have traffic and do some detective work to see if they are viable companies. Check the SEO space, and see how many people are running ads on the main search terms, how hard is it to rank for the the main keywords. Check if forums exists, and discount coupons for similar products in marketplaces, check for similar products on produ…
> Your boss does not care about your side project, as long as you get the job done. But for you to feel better, don't put your name on it until you have quit your job, it's the internet you can still be anonymous. > No company is going to waste their time and expensive legal resources gratuitously suing you for a side project, unless it's something blatant that directly impacts their bottom line. Don't be so sure. So…
You should be so lucky.
Re: Ask HN: How to validate a startup idea whilst employed?
#116Don't overthink it. You can validate the idea using SEO tools, check if the competitors have traffic and do some detective work to see if they are viable companies. Check the SEO space, and see how many people are running ads on the main search terms, how hard is it to rank for the the main keywords. Check if forums exists, and discount coupons for similar products in marketplaces, check for similar products on produ…
Not a bad place to start, but this hardly works in B2B where high touch selling is required on a normal basis
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Your boss does not care about your side project, as long as you get the job done. But for you to feel better, don't put your name on it until you have quit your job, it's the internet you can still be anonymous. > No company is going to waste their time and expensive legal resources gratuitously suing you for a side project, unless it's something blatant that directly impacts their bottom line. Don't be so sure. So…
So…when you then own a large successful company you’ll have to deal with 1 additional lawsuit from someone who thinks they have some ownership stake? You should be so lucky.
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#119IANAL. Make sure you put in a carveout for every repo you have in GitHub. It helps to have a lot of public ones, then roll in your private ones into the list. Even if you have to pivot one of your private accounts, you get legal cover for working on it. Odds are the legal team won't bother checking on the contents of every single enumerated repo, and it would be insane to not hire you when you have those repos. I rec…
I wonder how this would work if you have a bunch of shell repos where you can add whatever you want later. That is, your employer surely wouldn't be fine with you creating a competing product based on trade secrets that you were exposed to as an employee, just because it resides in a repo that existed prior to your employment. > it would be insane to not hire you when you have those repos. My hiring at a large softwa…
> And this was when I was being hired as a lawyer! I can imagine for devs or PMs they would be even more sensitive.
Really? Doing this as a dev is pretty normalized, I would have guessed a lawyer asking for it would be more scrutinized (do you notice a dog in the room if it's brown or if it's purple)
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Not a bad place to start, but this hardly works in B2B where high touch selling is required on a normal basis
It absolutely works in B2B. Why would it not? Nothing prevents you from talking to potential customers about an idea you have with a slide deck.