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Mouse embryo with brain and beating heart created from stem cells
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Re: Mouse embryo with brain and beating heart created from stem cells
#32This really is pretty amazing work. But, to the uninitiated, there's a dark side; I overheard someone commenting about an earlier post about this experiment, thinking it's possible to get out a chemistry set and just make a living thing. To be clear, they started with stem cells, and teased them into doing the right thing - they did not create a new living artifact from scratch; > Instead, they used stem cells - the…
> to the uninitiated, there's a dark side to the initiated I wish there was a dark side! > they did not create a new living artifact from scratch that is where this is headed, that is where they want to go, that is not what they've done... till they do it. That is the dark side. Humans in a competition with one another are not capable in a broad sense of reining in every worst impulse, as we saw with recent "gain of…
Why is that the dark side?
Re: Mouse embryo with brain and beating heart created from stem cells
#33Re: Mouse embryo with brain and beating heart created from stem cells
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
That might be true, but I know for a fact it’s a truism that doctors tell women to not feel as bad about miscarriages. My wife has had multiple miscarriages, to the point where it’s expected. Until doctors are informed of her history, they always say “the embryo wasn’t healthy enough to survive on its own …” My wife has a number of hormonal issues, but doctors can’t find a single diagnosis. But it’s certainly not wea…
Could it be nutrition?
Yes. Next question.
Re: Mouse embryo with brain and beating heart created from stem cells
#35Re: Mouse embryo with brain and beating heart created from stem cells
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Important point. Pretty fucked up to do this to a human.
Not a human, just a thing made of human parts.
...and that kind of thinking illustrates the kind of dehumanizing attitude that is harmful to the "products" of such experiments, such as the person that would develop from such an embryo. Very worrisome research.
Re: Mouse embryo with brain and beating heart created from stem cells
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Important point. Pretty fucked up to do this to a human.
At the embryo stage, what's the difference?
The difference actually doesn't change, wherever it's in embryo stage or not.
The human is easier relatabe and enjoys a special status from organized religions.
Re: Mouse embryo with brain and beating heart created from stem cells
#38A few years ago, someone did home experiments (posted to a FB group) with raising chickens outside of their egg shells. It caused a lot of controversy, but damn, so fascinating at the same time. This has actually been a whole thing for a while...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell-less_chick_embryo_cultur...
https://thekidshouldseethis.com/post/shell-less-chick-embryo...
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jpsa/51/3/51_0130043/_p...
Re: Mouse embryo with brain and beating heart created from stem cells
#39This really is pretty amazing work. But, to the uninitiated, there's a dark side; I overheard someone commenting about an earlier post about this experiment, thinking it's possible to get out a chemistry set and just make a living thing. To be clear, they started with stem cells, and teased them into doing the right thing - they did not create a new living artifact from scratch; > Instead, they used stem cells - the…
Wouldn’t the living artifact that results from this embryo just be horribly incompatible with life and die quickly or at best live for a brief time before expiring?
I suspect we will find out at some point in the next 25 to 50 years. Somebody, somewhere, is going to give it a good try. As in not stop at just the embryo stage, but make fully functional living beings, regardless of whatever laws exist.
The ramifications of "synthetic life", will sure to be staggering. This was covered a bit in the Blade Runner Sci-Fi, but what real Replicants would be like and what they will do with them, might be wilder than we could imagine.
Re: Mouse embryo with brain and beating heart created from stem cells
#40Cue politicians naming this “the work of the devil” and a bill to ban such experimentation