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On eating out alone

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Re: On eating out alone

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It may feel a bit weird the first few times, but eventually it feels very natural. Nobody cares. Same thing for traveling. The only place where I don't like to go alone are bars. It's boring and it feels a bit lonely seeing people partying where you're on your own.

Maybe I'm debating semantics, but I enjoy going to bars alone. I wouldn't go to a club alone though. Maybe it's more accurate to say I enjoy going to the pub alone. It depends on what each type of bar means to you I suppose.

I'm more akin to what the author describes: doing it primarily while traveling for work. I usually sit at the bar, have a pint and a basket of some sort of greasy finger food. I'd say 3/4 the time I find myself in smalltalk with others near me, or even the bartender. I'm not an incredibly social person either but I've found practically every experience doing it enjoyable. Doubly so since I'm travelling. Talking with others on their travels or the locals is great ways to find other things to do if you find yourself with the time to spare. Quick Edit: Airport bars are great some of the best for this experience imo. I've met some incredible individuals for the 10 minutes we share a space.

Re: On eating out alone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is being alone at home really a bad thing?

Can't see where OP phrased it that way. What I read was "Eating out alone really hurts." This person was expressing feelings, not passing judgment. Is sharing one's feelings really a bad thing?

> I dislike it more than being alone at home.

That seems like it is phrased that way? I'm not saying it's wrong to feel that way, it was just a question if even being alone at home is really such a bad thing.

Re: On eating out alone

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This person thinks very hard about eating, and being alone while eating. It can also be as simple as eating, seated in a restaurant, by yourself. Why make it more complicated or ritual-worthy than that? This is also one of those things were the "pressures" are self-created. People in restaurants certainly aren't shocked if you go in there by yourself. I wonder if they've discovered the joys of going to movie theaters…

It seems to me that the author is very young, and very concerned about what others think of them. Which, to be fair, is something that often fades with age. I can remember when I was in my 20s, I found eating alone to be uncomfortable. But as I got older, I realized that I don't care at all what other people think about whether I'm eating alone or not, what I order, how fast I eat, etc etc. As long as no one is harme…

I agree with this. I find it so weird that there exists a strong cultural stereotype with a narrative that young people are more independent minded and rebellious. I can very often predict the opinion people in their 20's with very few prior data points. However I find myself much more reserved when opening new conversations with middle aged folks since I'm so often surprised by their humor, independent thoughts, and unique experience.

I suppose I'm stating the obvious, but I had a very noticeable youth bias when I was in college and into my early 20's and really needed to be shaken out of it.

Re: On eating out alone

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I love eating out alone. I used to do a lot of travel for work, and had many a alone meal. It was great to just sit in peace, read, catch up on news, etc. I never saw what the big stigma with eating alone is.

Re: On eating out alone

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Before the pandemic, I used to go out alone on purpose just to meet random people. (I'm married.) I know this isn't for everyone, but I got good at it and I enjoy(ed) it. I've noticed however, that this is a skill that can atrophy. It's taken me a little while to get back to my old self in public places.

I'm curious how this can work. What you're describing sounds impossible. You go to a restaurant: how do you have any kind off conversation beyond maybe a joke to someone in a line? My impression is that people are friendly but not interested in anything beyond pleasantries with a rando.

I do this sometimes, just have random conversations with strangers. You’ve gotta be able to read their expressions and see if they’re interested. Sometimes people just aren’t in a talking mood, sometimes they are. Maybe just say “hey, what’re you gonna order?” Or something like that, and they’ll react one of two ways:

1. “Oh idk yet” (this means stop talking to me)

2. “Oh well I was looking at the shrimp, but the tofu also sounds good, I usually go for fish… etc etc” (this means keep talking)

If they react like #1 (short and not as interested, body language is turned away) then just smile and leave them be, no big deal. Just don’t keep talking at that point or you’ll just be annoying. Nothing personal, they just aren’t in the mood.

But a lot of the times, their eyes will light up, they’ll turn towards you, and they’ll tell you some more details like #2. This is where you ask more questions — “Oh, do you come here often? Do you live in the area? What other restaurants do you like? Have you seen the dolphins today?” And from that point, just see where it takes you.

Sometimes it’s just a quick 2 minute conversation and you don’t have much in common, so you just say “Ok well I hope you have a great rest of your night!” …But sometimes you get a response like “Oh the shrimp here is good, reminds me of a dish I got in Spain”, and you’ve been to Spain before so you go into more details about that! And it just takes off.

You’ve gotta just pay attention and be willing to stop talking if you run out of things to talk about, but sometimes you’ll have a lot in common and be able to dig deeper into shared stories and stuff.

Really it just takes practice, but nobody reasonable will be upset if you just kick off a quick chat & know when to stop if they’re uninterested.

Re: On eating out alone

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Yeah. If the author is afraid of appearing lonely, one of the most liberating things to realise is that nobody really gives a shit about you. At most, people will glance and exchange a few words upon noticing you before moving on to some other topic. For everyone else you're just part of the background of their life. Everyone is too busy thinking about their own insecurities and experience to think about you, general…

“nobody really gives a shit about you.” This realization helped me a lot with social anxiety. For a long time I believed that everybody was watching and judging me. This made it very hard to go out and do things. It was a relief to be able to let go of this belief.

That, plus even if they did give a shit about you...who cares, it doesn't affect you either way.

Re: On eating out alone

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This person thinks very hard about eating, and being alone while eating. It can also be as simple as eating, seated in a restaurant, by yourself. Why make it more complicated or ritual-worthy than that? This is also one of those things were the "pressures" are self-created. People in restaurants certainly aren't shocked if you go in there by yourself. I wonder if they've discovered the joys of going to movie theaters…

> Why make it more complicated or ritual-worthy than that?

Why not?

What's so bad about complexity or ritual? It's the author's choice whether or not to do it. They aren't demanding that you do, nor are they even demanding that you read about their personal choice to do so.

Re: On eating out alone

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This person thinks very hard about eating, and being alone while eating. It can also be as simple as eating, seated in a restaurant, by yourself. Why make it more complicated or ritual-worthy than that? This is also one of those things were the "pressures" are self-created. People in restaurants certainly aren't shocked if you go in there by yourself. I wonder if they've discovered the joys of going to movie theaters…

This is a little like saying "just do it". It's not really pragmatic. Many humans feel uncomfortable being "exposed" in various ways, and one of those ways is being conspicuous in public. I enjoy going to the theater alone, but you're sitting in the dark among people in a continuous sea of seats, not grouped into tables. In a restaurant, it feels conspicuous to be eating alone, even though I have the experience of be…

You name it yourself - emotions, nothing more. Dont be a slave to them, telling you what to do, how to behave, how to think. You will end up with tons of regrets later in life, 100% guaranteed.

Let sinergy of cold hard facts (aka rationality) and emotions drive your life. You will make best decisions like that, and they will stand the test of time. Also this way you dont end up easily as an arrogant ahole who just doesnt think about any consequenced.

Just do it may not be enough if you are not there yet, but once you are, you will understand why its true. Or life is too short to XYZ, or whatever else clicks with you.

Re: On eating out alone

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When I was younger I used to absolutely avoid it, I could just about put up with a fast food place by myself, although I would prefer a drive through where I could sit in my car. Anywhere you needed to be seated and ask for a table for 1 was pretty much out.

I definitely felt a stigma from eating alone, it doesn't matter how small that stigma was, or even if it was just in my head. My insecurities were amplified by social anxiety. I was single, not by choice, through lack of success mostly due to anxiety / insecurity. I felt like everyone seeing me as a young man eating alone would notice me and instantly leap to the correct conclusion I was unhappily single (and the incorrect conclusion I had no friends) and judge me as a failure.

I am now older, married with a young child, a chance to eat alone at a restaurant would be a rare welcome opportunity, but asking for a table for 1 is still a little uncomfortable for me. I know most people won't notice me, or care in the least bit why I am there. The server will have probably severed 100 lone diners that week with various reasons for being alone and I will not stand out from them in any way. The logic of that is mostly irrelevant and has limited impact on how it makes me feel.

Re: On eating out alone

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I love eating out alone, as well as watching movies alone, taking walks alone, even traveling abroad alone (/r/solotravel) and so on. It's so much more liberating to do things you want to do at the exact time you want to do them without having to wait for anybody to accompany you. At the same time, I'm not sure why there's so much anxiety from the author about doing things alone. As I'm not one of those people, perha…

Funnily enough when I travel alone I do this all the time and think nothing of it. When I was younger I used to frequently sup alone before going to a concert or a party (that wasn't expected to have food). Rarely went to a movie alone, and now that I've experienced home surround sound I can't go back...
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