All way downhill since the patriot act.
Don't say nobody told you so.
US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years
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Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years
#352Terrifying for only 2 reasons: 1. Any malicious person savvy enough to pull off a crime of interest to the Feds is smart enough to provide a wiped or burner phone to DHS/ICE, and they have to know this. So, what is the point in doing this if not to target law abiding citizens. 2. USGOV has a spotty track record of keeping this information secure. A foreign actor is likely to access this info eventually. As one former…
> This is the problem when a non-technical generation makes the rules and regs. The millennials hold the power these days. If you consider them non-technical, I'm not sure there will ever be a technical generation... Which may be a fair assertion as I work with a lot of people in the tech industry who wouldn't even consider the issues you raise unless it was handed to them on a silver platter. If actual tech people a…
Millennials have less money than the generations before them, they do not make up the majority of voters and they aren't executives at large.
The only power most of them have boils down to passive or active rebellion, and they are too busy managing excess grey pressure in most places while said grey pressure is actively voting against them.
Additionally, even millennials aren't technical at large. They certainly aren't technology preactive enough. Not even most developers are.
Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years
#353Reminder for the folks using iPhones, you can prevent law enforcement from doing this by "pair locking" your device: https://arkadiyt.com/2019/10/07/pair-locking-your-iphone-wit...
Oof, what happens if your laptop dies and it's the pair?
- On step 11 you can choose to allow (or disallow) removing the profile with a password
- Alternatively you can backup the pairing records from your laptop somewhere to be able to put them on a new laptop
- Alternatively you can configure your iPhone to e.g. backup photos and so on to icloud, and then if you ever lose your laptop you can wipe your device and restore the data you chose to backup
Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years
#354they can also search your anal cavity if they want to. #endborders
Not sure why you're downvoted. This actually happened to me last time I crossed the border.
Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years
#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been routinely receiving junk mail for a person that I know for a fact has been dead for about a decade. I used to do this with that mail, but stopped a couple of years ago. Now I just toss it directly in the recycling bin.
It is understandable, I just know not to fuck with the Postal Service. I doubt you will get convicted, but I don’t have great luck with things lol.
It's not that dangerous. They'll talk to you about what your intent was. On the other hand it could be the companies mailing you junk with no reply for decades have the ill intent because they're trying to get people into committing felonies (entrapment) with dogshit offers nobody would ever take that are littering the mail system. So if they accuse you, tell them that accusation must be redirected--like mail is--to like a middle-manager in the company doing mass-mailings.
They didn't pay you anything to wade through their junk. You aren't their slave unless you sign.
Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years
#356Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems clear when you selectively edit the transcript the way you did. But add a little more context: > Right, same as a police officer who asks if they can "look around" or "ask a few questions". ...But in general you'd be a fool to do so, and you also may say "no" and it becomes a lot less clear.
But I didn't have any problem understanding it at all, when I first read it.
So? Just because one person professes to have no trouble understanding something doesn't mean it was clear. Maybe you have unusual powers of comprehension. Maybe you understood it because the tacit assumptions happened to align with your prejudices. Maybe you are rewriting the past [1] to save face. Your testimony in this regard doesn't really inform the discussion.
[1] https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2014/02/how-your-memor...
Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years
#357Terrifying for only 2 reasons: 1. Any malicious person savvy enough to pull off a crime of interest to the Feds is smart enough to provide a wiped or burner phone to DHS/ICE, and they have to know this. So, what is the point in doing this if not to target law abiding citizens. 2. USGOV has a spotty track record of keeping this information secure. A foreign actor is likely to access this info eventually. As one former…
>Any malicious person savvy enough to pull off a crime of interest...and they have to know this. You'd be amazed at how many dumb things smart criminals/people can do. Maintaining proper OpSec is hard. It only takes one mistake to give the LEOs a string to pull to unravel the whole sweater. Everything else, I tend to feel the same way as you. Just wanted to mention the OpSec part
Just use stationary.
Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years
#358Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you've been asked to unlock your phone, and refused, but were eventually released and allowed to enter? Which country?
Yes, it's happened to me twice, both times crossing from Canada to the US on a land border entry. There was a short period of time where the CBP was doing this in droves on Canada land border entries. The way it's generally structured is they ask permission, and if you refuse, they can't really do anything without a court order and can only hold you at most 72 hours. The time I was held up for 2 days was because they…
This demonstrates a clear lack of understanding on the rules and how ports of entry are "special"
> There was a short period of time where the CBP was doing this in droves on Canada land border entries. The way it's generally structured is they ask permission, and if you refuse, they can't really do anything without a court order and can only hold you at most 72 hours.
They can do worse, they can :
- enforce travel bans (starting at 5 years) and issue large fines.
- Failure to grant access to your digital device may result in the detention of that device under section 101 of the Customs Act, or seizure of the device under subsection 140 (1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act.
The Border has its own special laws, especially entering the US where it is a "constitutional free zone". The US really is an odd case as this extends 100 miles INTO the US.
https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone
Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years
#359This happened to me, a US citizen, when I was returning to the US from Europe. They stopped me and asked me to hand over my electronics with passwords. I refused and they told me I had to sit in the room by myself until I gave them my electronics. I asked for a lawyer and they told me I am not entitled to a lawyer because I had not fully entered the US yet. After over an hour I finally gave them my electronics and passwords. After CBP gave the electronics back to me I threw them away.
Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years
#360Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I give them the password to unlock it (otherwise they would seize the phone) IIRC, I've read they can only hold your phone for 30 days or something like that, then they have to return it to you. They can delay an American citizen, but they can't deny entry. Ever since then, I travel with a travel phone, make sure my photos are backed up when I cross a border, and shut it down before I go through border control. If…
I had this basic thing happen in 2014 -- I refused to give access. I was detained for a while, part of it in a cell, and Canada did explicitly deny me entry. They never gave back my phone or laptop, though I didn't fight too hard for the hardware.
Sounds like horrible experience.