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Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by HideousKojima »

Hackbraten wrote: post #173
hatware wrote: post #165

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German here. Not entirely sure what your comment is trying to convey. Germany doesn’t have that much of a free-speech history, at least compared to the US. So the fact that publicly denying or trivializing the holocaust has been illegal (since 1949, I figure) is not seen as dystopian at all. On the contrary, the ban is even widely accepted, and perceived as a good thing. Mind clarifying a bit as to what exactly you’r…

>Germany doesn’t have that much of a free-speech history

"We've always suppressed freedom of thought and expression, so why should we start now,?"

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themitigating wrote: post #44
benj111 wrote: post #3

We really need to stop thinking about social networking sites as private companies, and think about them as the public spaces they actually are. It isn't good for society for a few companies to have a strangle hold on what can be said online. I do kind of feel for them in some ways because you have different nations with different norms and laws, but the answer isn't some lowest common denominator, and ridding the we…

Why should we consider them public spaces when they are private companies? And social media companies only control what is said on their platform not "online" aka the entire internet as you said

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Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by neodymiumphish »

etchalon wrote: post #174
shrimp_emoji wrote: post #166

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Easy: stop moderating. Just allow everything.

"Crime sure is hard to stop." "Well, just make everything legal."

What about only stopping (moderating) crime, then?

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Post by dotnet00 »

root_axis wrote: post #221
jquery wrote: post #202

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We don’t just need human moderation, we need due process. These companies control too much of our digital lives and make so much money from us, but have zero regard for us as soon as it’s inconvenient to investigate a case, because that would cut into their insane margins. I was permabanned for Twitter recently merely for getting the attention of some large influencers who disagreed with me (no actual rule was broken…

They only control what we voluntarily give them. Social media controls nothing of importance in my life.

Unless you don't interact with anyone, that's a completely untenable position due to network effects. eg My family (spread around the world) uses WhatsApp for communicating with each other, which I'm not much of a fan of but it's pretty much impossible to get them over to another platform given that I don't live anywhere near them anymore to teach them and they have to use it anyway for communicating within their residential community etc.

Sure technically I'm not being coerced into using WhatsApp, but it isn't exactly reasonable to say that if I really cared I would just not talk to my family until they figure out how to use a platform I prefer.

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Post by jleyank »

teh_klev wrote: post #162
jleyank wrote: post #75

I assume they ban pretty much everything about the period 1925 to 1945 as race, national origin and probably gender was real prominent. And talk about the violence…

I follow a FB group where the topic is the International Brigades, many of the discussions and posts are about the Spanish civil war, though not exclusively. Race, national origin, sex and violence are freely discussed and the group doesn't seem to attract any untoward attention by FB's algo's.

I would think that inconsistency in how things are banned would increase FB’s legal risk, but maybe they (like all rich things) are exempt from legal risk?

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Post by yamtaddle »

lurquer wrote: post #216
philwelch wrote: post #183

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If anything you’re understating the problem. The problem with “Jews destroyed German economy before the war” is that it’s extremely vague and difficult to verify. There’s no good basis for the claim, but it’s not even a historical detail that could be easily verified; it’s more of an overarching theoretical opinion. As for “Jews were murdered by Germans during the war”, sure. That’s an extremely well documented fact.…

>> As for “Jews were murdered by Germans during the war”, sure. That’s an extremely well documented fact. It’s sad that you’re blind to the fact that that statement is just as ‘racist’ and untrue as the original. Jews were not murdered by Germans. Rather, Some Jews were murderer by Some members of a political party that was primarily — but not exclusively — German. The overwhelming majority of Germans never murdered…

You're attacking a strawman. Not only is a generous reading both entirely true and even compatible with your "corrections", the poster went on to add nuance such that it doesn't require any generosity whatsoever to read it that way.

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Post by mjburgess »

20amxn20 wrote: post #224
mjburgess wrote: post #214

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I suppose if your country has just perpetrated a genocide, one might have unusual moral responsibilities.

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The community which committed that genocide has the prerogative to decide its own moral responsibilities. If you're part of that community, and violate them, then the consequences will be as they wish.

Its deeply implausible to say that Germans have no collective right against the individual here. What you wish to say really isnt all that important, and doubly so, when many around you were wrapped-up in a system of mass torture, genocide and violence.

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Post by yamtaddle »

sgjohnson wrote: post #219
hoppla wrote: post #208

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Was it not a clause in the react js or so, that you lose the right to use the framework if you sued Facebook?

React is MIT licensed, so no.

> Was it not a clause in the react js or so, that you lose the right to use the framework if you sued Facebook?

This is true (if we take "was" literally). Though IIRC it was only if you sued them over patents.

> React is MIT licensed

And this is also true (now).

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Post by z9znz »

EveYoung wrote: post #116
herbst wrote: post #42

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I realize this was a weird time and masks have been a complicated topic. However: I advertised some masks my grandma has sewn on FB. It was ok, expansive clicks like always but ok. This was running for at least a week or two. But when I changed some text it triggered a new ad review and within no hour my account was banned. It didn't even took a hour to deny my appeal as well and my account was lost forever (without…

In my experience, Meta doesn't care about you unless you have a multi-million budget or your buying through an agency that has the right connections.

I think we have even seen one or two examples here on HN of multimillion dollar accounts which hit inexplicable walls suddenly.

I don’t know if any one customer has enough money to get proper first class human service with Facebook.

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