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We have something like that with "golden visas/golden passports" already here in Europe. The result was a bunch of Russian oligarchs with Schengen freedom of movement [1]. [1] https://www.dw.com/en/eu-threatens-legal-action-over-maltas-...
So maybe we don't want all the rich people? And we probably want some of the poor people. There is a shortage of all sorts of labor afterall. The real issue is that there is no good way to verify the identity or non-criminal nature of any of the migrants. You can create a solid ID at the time of entry and start tracking there at least.
US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years
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#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
They took my laptop in the back for just 30 minutes or so, after which I refused to accept it back from them or even touch it, which took another 2 hours or so. Eventually they agreed to dispose of it themselves.
Were they surprised at your refusal?
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#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
They took my laptop in the back for just 30 minutes or so, after which I refused to accept it back from them or even touch it, which took another 2 hours or so. Eventually they agreed to dispose of it themselves.
Why not just throw it away yourself?
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#214Read the book "Habeas Data" It's a great overview of digital privacy and protection laws in the US , how they came about, and what protections they actually offer. The short answer is "very few" and the long answer is "never ever ever turn over your data short of a court order and even then try to fight it." Then with Third Party Doctrine, most of the few/limited privacy/warrant rules go out the window. Also, I'm not…
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#215On my last trip back from Europe in June, when I re-entered the US, US Customs & Border Control didn't ask for my passport. No one did. They did wave a webcam connected to a computer in front of my face, and then a moment later, called out my name and said I could enter. Same with everyone coming through the international border area. I think that's just as weird a development and worthy of "WTH?" as this topic.
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
They took my laptop in the back for just 30 minutes or so, after which I refused to accept it back from them or even touch it, which took another 2 hours or so. Eventually they agreed to dispose of it themselves.
Did you get reimbursed?
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#217On my last trip back from Europe in June, when I re-entered the US, US Customs & Border Control didn't ask for my passport. No one did. They did wave a webcam connected to a computer in front of my face, and then a moment later, called out my name and said I could enter. Same with everyone coming through the international border area. I think that's just as weird a development and worthy of "WTH?" as this topic.
In Australia it's an autogate with a face scan for citizens and PR's, you only deal with a person if it can't identify you, which is rare.
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#218Lot's of people fantasizing about what they'll do at the border with weaponizing the data on a burner phone. Let me present a "simpler" and actually realistic option (only for US citizens) on how to handle this: 1. Have a reasonable amount of emergency savings (6-8 months of expenses stored). 2. Have someone in-country who isn't traveling with you who can make sure your bills get paid (financial power of attorney). 3…
Which country(s) other than the US were the most problematic / worst? Personally I've had more aggravation at the Canadian border than any European country.
All the less-wealthy and "more corrupt" places I've traveled were far easier to deal with at the border. It's happened so many times I've lost count that the border agent didn't even look at me /or/ my passport before stamping a random page and yelling "Next". This doesn't happen in countries where the person at the border is well-paid and engaged in their job, it happens when they are bored, disinterested, and just want to go home. With one exception, all my worst border experiences were in wealthy countries. The one exception I won't discuss in detail publicly, but it was while leaving, not arriving, and at any rate wasn't due to their border agency but rather their secret police mistaking me for a journalist.
Another observation I have is that only foreigners really get the worst treatment, so this may be why I haven't felt so badly about the US CBP, while I hear from my non-American friends and acquaintances that the US is the worst one to deal with. I'm sure any citizens of the countries I've mentioned will be quick to defend them in the comments in reply. After all, when you're a citizen, it's generally pretty painless to get back into the country of your citizenship. As a foreigner you face more scrutiny and have less legal protections.
Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years
#219On my last trip back from Europe in June, when I re-entered the US, US Customs & Border Control didn't ask for my passport. No one did. They did wave a webcam connected to a computer in front of my face, and then a moment later, called out my name and said I could enter. Same with everyone coming through the international border area. I think that's just as weird a development and worthy of "WTH?" as this topic.
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#220Terrifying for only 2 reasons: 1. Any malicious person savvy enough to pull off a crime of interest to the Feds is smart enough to provide a wiped or burner phone to DHS/ICE, and they have to know this. So, what is the point in doing this if not to target law abiding citizens. 2. USGOV has a spotty track record of keeping this information secure. A foreign actor is likely to access this info eventually. As one former…
> 1. Any malicious person savvy enough to pull off a crime of interest to the Feds is smart enough to provide a wiped or burner phone to DHS/ICE, and they have to know this. So, what is the point in doing this if not to target law abiding citizens. This isn't even remotely true. See for example the recent Anom honeypot[1]. Criminals do more or less the same things that ordinary citizens do, and often have strictly wo…
The powers these agencies have is far in excesses of what they need to do their jobs, and it is going to be abused. These aren't particularly upstanding people, they're the sort who think DHS/ICE represents an ideal that they are OK with.