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US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Post by xtracto »

ch4s3 wrote: post #145
xnyan wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Right, same as a police officer who asks if they can "look around" or "ask a few questions". ...But in general you'd be a fool to do so, and you also may say "no" This is not only a very naive take, its a dangerous one - people have been killed by law enforcement for doing what you are suggesting. Law Enforcement Officers in the US has what is known as qualified immunity. In practice qualified immunity means as long…

> people have been killed by law enforcement for doing what you are suggesting. Can you cite any examples of this happening? I’m a pretty big policing reform person and follow this stuff closely and can’t think of a single case like this.

> I’m a pretty big policing reform person and follow this stuff closely and can’t think of a single case like this.

I live in Mexico and even I know about the Floyd case ... it seems you don't really follow that kind of thing at all.

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Post by Canada »

mlindner wrote: post #83
jliptzin wrote: post #45

This happened to me in 2016 crossing into Canada. Borders agents took my phone for no reason, demand I give them the password to unlock it (otherwise they would seize the phone), took it in the back for 45 min before returning it and letting me enter. I think it’s obvious they took all my data. So now when I travel I just bring my “travel” phone with no sensitive data on it.

They can't actually do that. If you just refuse to give them the password they'll give it back to you.

Unless they have some reason to fear you, they'll just take it if they feel like it. Worse, if you're not Canadian they might send you back where you came from. And when they do it, they won't even tell you their names. What are you gonna do about it?

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Post by refurb »

throwoutway wrote: post #96
xoa wrote: post #40

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> The ACLU is wrong. The border does it all the time. Here is the one that sticks out in my mind as the most popular case: The ACLU is not wrong, if you actually read their actual words. Your case doesn't say what you think it does. From your own article: > Bikkannavar insisted that he wasn’t allowed to do that because the phone belonged to NASA’s JPL and he’s required to protect access. Agents insisted and he finall…

Let me know how successful you are crossing the border and getting home when you tell CBP to “pound sand”. They’ll just deny you entry and you’re left with very little recourse. Effectively they are the judge and jury and you’re stuck in the waiting area if you’re lucky, a holding cell if you’re not If you think you’re immune just because you’re a US citizen, you’re not.

This is false.

A friend came back to the US after 3 years. A time period you typically lose your green card.

However friend was smart to ask a lawyer and the lawyer said “agree to nothing, sign nothing, only a judge can take your green card”.

So she did just that. Put up with about an hour of shit. “No, im not signing anything”, “No, I don’t agree that I’m no longer a permanent resident of the US”.

Was eventually let in and nothing came of it.

Know your rights and stand firm. If some non-us citizen minority woman can do it, I’m sure you can too.

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Post by lisper »

ch4s3 wrote: post #168
lisper wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He did cite an example: George Floyd. You really ought to read the comment you are replying to more carefully. (And you have to be pretty profoundly ignorant of current events not to already be aware of this.)

I did read it. Floyd wasn’t killed while refusing an unlawful search, which is specifically what I’m asking about.

Do you really think the details of the pretext matter?

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Post by mijoharas »

coldcode wrote: post #132
CabSauce wrote: post #107

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Fortunately we still vote for our representatives. But I'm sure the US Federal government is interested in your veiled calls for violence.

Enjoy it while you can, Moore v. Harper is up for debate in the Supreme Court this year, and it appears to be in favor of this (insane) idea that voting is no longer a right.

I was unaware of this, but it seems insane that that's even being heard[0].

[0] https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/moor...

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Post by londons_explore »

galangalalgol wrote: post #85
mschuster91 wrote: post #26

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We have something like that with "golden visas/golden passports" already here in Europe. The result was a bunch of Russian oligarchs with Schengen freedom of movement [1]. [1] https://www.dw.com/en/eu-threatens-legal-action-over-maltas-...

So maybe we don't want all the rich people? And we probably want some of the poor people. There is a shortage of all sorts of labor afterall. The real issue is that there is no good way to verify the identity or non-criminal nature of any of the migrants. You can create a solid ID at the time of entry and start tracking there at least.

If you have strong diplomatic ties with the country the migrant came from, you can totally do identity/criminal background checks.

You can also do things like asking an existing citizen to sponsor an immigrant. If that immigrant commits a crime or doesn't pay their taxes, the sponsor is jointly liable.

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Post by andrewprock »

lisper wrote: post #176
ch4s3 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did read it. Floyd wasn’t killed while refusing an unlawful search, which is specifically what I’m asking about.

Do you really think the details of the pretext matter?

Yes, the pretext matters. Border searches is the topic of the article.
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