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US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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I'm not sure I missed something, the title says "Americans" but I couldn't find an elaboration on exactly _who_ is subject to these searches. The ACLU [0] seems to contend that, at least, US citizens are not subject to these measures. [0]: https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/what-do-when-encounter...

They cannot deny a US citizen entry, but they can still mess with you.

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Fortunately we still vote for our representatives. But I'm sure the US Federal government is interested in your veiled calls for violence.

Enjoy it while you can, Moore v. Harper is up for debate in the Supreme Court this year, and it appears to be in favor of this (insane) idea that voting is no longer a right.

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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The way US treats the migrants is human rights violation at the border. Now add this to the pile of atrocities committed by the border patrol and ICE. It's high time we should consider open border.

Searching your phone is a humans rights violation? I mean, I get the hyperbole, but I'd say more like a privacy issue. But hey, just add the US to the long list of countries like Canada, UK, Australia, etc, etc, etc. Maybe we can come up with a positive list of countries that won't search your phone at the border?

Nobody is searching your phone on UK border. It’s pretty much unheard of in this part of the world.

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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No because if it's standard, they will ask you to disable travel mode and download all the data. You can say no, but you can't refuse and cross the border. It's not a technical problem.

It for sure is a technical issue and by “travel mode” I mean you: 1. end-to-end encrypt a cloud backup 2. Securely wipe the phone. 3. Install OS in travel mode, which means no local data is forced and at best kept until restarting phone. Hardware enforcement of ban of updates including firmware and OS, unless system wiped. With a visual unique easily recognizable “code” to tell if the current “travel mode” was over r…

Nope, if an abusive administration is committed enough, it will mark as suspicious any cleaned phone, especially if they can access freely metadata about your life without a judge.

No need for the content, they just need to make sure the activity score is higher than the one on your phone. It's not illegal not to have you real phone, but why haven't you? Do you have anything to hide? And they will make you life annoying enough, making you miss flights, waste your time, cost you money and opportunities, until most of the population comply.

It's a cat and mouse game, where you are trying to oppose technical solutions to people being simply abusive, which doesn't work on the long run, because the problem is that you are being ruled by the mob.

It's funny, because if were it be happening in China or in Russia, everybody would be loosing their mind, saying how those dictatorships are abusive. Then they would note how the Russian and Chinese don't seem to notice they are being abused and defend their country.

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Terrifying for only 2 reasons: 1. Any malicious person savvy enough to pull off a crime of interest to the Feds is smart enough to provide a wiped or burner phone to DHS/ICE, and they have to know this. So, what is the point in doing this if not to target law abiding citizens. 2. USGOV has a spotty track record of keeping this information secure. A foreign actor is likely to access this info eventually. As one former…

>>So, what is the point in doing this if not to target law abiding citizens. It's the old rule known to governments all over the world - there is no such thing as an innocent citizen, there is only a citizen who you haven't investigated enough. Call me cynical but storing ALL of your digital data allows the agencies to basically find something, anything, that will allow them to further blackmail you into complying. E…

The criminal should have the strongest civil rights protections, so hands will be tied should the government try to go after inconvenient citizens.

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Fortunately we still vote for our representatives. But I'm sure the US Federal government is interested in your veiled calls for violence.

Some states don’t vote for their representatives, moving forward.

Seriously, go watch the speech, then you don’t need to speculate about what the executive branch thinks about veiled threats for violence and domestic terrorism, or what I’m advocating for. Here’s the official transcript:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/20...

Article describing state-level efforts to allow vote tallies to be overridden by partisan groups (by this tally, there were 10 bills in 8 states):

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dozen-state-laws-shift-power...

This tally has it at 14 states:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/06/14-gop-controll...

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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No because if it's standard, they will ask you to disable travel mode and download all the data. You can say no, but you can't refuse and cross the border. It's not a technical problem.

> You can say no, but you can't refuse and cross the border. They can't prevent Americans from entering the country.

Right, I forgot that it was about americans.

But they can, and will if the trend of abuses continue, make you loose your flight, make you waste time, opportunity, and money. And put you in a list so that they do that every time your travel.

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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This happened to me in 2016 crossing into Canada. Borders agents took my phone for no reason, demand I give them the password to unlock it (otherwise they would seize the phone), took it in the back for 45 min before returning it and letting me enter. I think it’s obvious they took all my data. So now when I travel I just bring my “travel” phone with no sensitive data on it.

They can't actually do that. If you just refuse to give them the password they'll give it back to you.

By can’t, do you mean they aren’t allowed to? That doesn’t really mean that they won’t do it.

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fortunately we still vote for our representatives. But I'm sure the US Federal government is interested in your veiled calls for violence.

Enjoy it while you can, Moore v. Harper is up for debate in the Supreme Court this year, and it appears to be in favor of this (insane) idea that voting is no longer a right.

Insane? Or a logical progression of the underlying culture that has successfully captured the institution after decades of planning?
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