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The collapse of cryptokitties, the first big blockchain game

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Re: The collapse of cryptokitties, the first big blockchain game

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This is not a “game” any more than beanie babies or tomagachi is a game. These are digital collectibles, and digital pets.

If you’d like to see a “blockchain game” that is succeeding and not dependent on simple buy/sell token mechanics, see Dark Forest and 0xMonaco.

https://dfwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page

https://www.0xmonaco.com/

Re: The collapse of cryptokitties, the first big blockchain game

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Why do anti-crypto people always seem to go into all every conversation with completely bad faith? It's fun to take something someone else built, and do something new and not planned by the origional devs with it. That's it, it's just not necessary to assume bad faith.

> Why do anti-crypto people always seem to go into all every conversation with completely bad faith? It's not bad faith. It's reality. It's also spotting logical and technological holes the size of Jupiter in any of the proposals from clueless[1] crypto maximalists. [1] Many of them are not clueless, just grifters

I'd add, someone can have a master's in math and be a phenomenal software engineer and still clueless vis-á-vis crypto.

It's like Dunning-Kruger, except the bar for "doesn't know enough to know he doesn't know enough" is right at the ceiling

Re: The collapse of cryptokitties, the first big blockchain game

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I read these articles sometimes about crypto games, but they all never seem to describe the actual game, it’s like crypto is the primary concern, and game is secondary, and i’m getting the distinct impression none of these games are any fun and everyone in the space has to avoid mentioning it. I think that the people writing these things only have a very slim grasp of gaming, but they know it would be a good market t…

Crypto aside, most collectable card games aren't very much fun in my opinion.

Re: The collapse of cryptokitties, the first big blockchain game

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The setting was written in 1996 with Mahoutsukai no Yoru/Kara no Kyoukai. Also the other half of the setting is all about vampires, and it's definitely kind of like White Wolf Vampire, but not close enough to look intentional.

Wait, Kara no Kyoukai and Fate are set in the same universe?

Sort of, the setting is the same but none of the series are actually in continuity with each other. Even Fate/Zero isn’t actually the same universe as Fate.

If they did that it’d restrict the story too much - Nasu loves setting rules about how the magic stuff works, but he only does it so he can break them later to make someone look cool. That’s why he’s the world’s best fantasy writer.

Re: The collapse of cryptokitties, the first big blockchain game

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I read these articles sometimes about crypto games, but they all never seem to describe the actual game, it’s like crypto is the primary concern, and game is secondary, and i’m getting the distinct impression none of these games are any fun and everyone in the space has to avoid mentioning it. I think that the people writing these things only have a very slim grasp of gaming, but they know it would be a good market t…

Check https://www.cryptokitties.co/guide/ways-to-play The reason it seems like they didn't describe the "actual game" is that there is no actual "gameplay". You just pay to collect cats. You can trade the cat tokens with other people, try to sell them on the marketplace, pay to generate semi randomized new cat tokens via "breeding", and... just have them under your wallet / name. There is no action, no RPG, no platfo…

Neopets, Valenth & more come to mind as early 2000s crypto-less versions of this. You can make the exact same comments about the fun-ness of those games. And yet people loved them.

So yes, crypto is the focus and yes, gameplay is lacking (for those who seek different kinds of games). But those are separate issues rather than related.

In other words, CryptoKitties innovation was never going to be gameplay, because it is explicitly a clone of pet collecting games of yore with the spin being different underlying infrastructure & payments technology.

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post #117

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Check https://www.cryptokitties.co/guide/ways-to-play The reason it seems like they didn't describe the "actual game" is that there is no actual "gameplay". You just pay to collect cats. You can trade the cat tokens with other people, try to sell them on the marketplace, pay to generate semi randomized new cat tokens via "breeding", and... just have them under your wallet / name. There is no action, no RPG, no platfo…

> Why breed Purrstige Traits? Breeding a Purrstige Trait can be challenging, but it’s rewarding too. Because Purrstige Traits are time-limited, they’re particularly rare — and especially valued as a result. Plus, Purrstige Traits are always a nice visual treat, creating some of the game’s most beautiful and unique cats. From the docs, lots of talk about value. Not much reason why. It reminds me of the Beanie Babies V…

What is challenging about it?

Re: The collapse of cryptokitties, the first big blockchain game

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The CO2 footprint for one.

You're a day late with that argument... https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/09/15/1059520/the-merg...

I doubt it, they just hid the dirty little secret that everyone putting up the stake will now mine it on another chain

Re: The collapse of cryptokitties, the first big blockchain game

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post #289

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That's an entirely speculative claim, and doesn't even make sense. There is no difference in a digital Magic card and a physical one in terms of motivations to pay for one. The anti-decentralization camp used CO2 emissions as their excuse for their wholesale condemnation of NFTs before. But now that that's gone, there doesn't seem to be anything of substance to support their blanket condemnation of them.

I'm not anti-decentralization. But obviously only a moron would pay for an NFT regardless of the CO2 emissions.

Again, there is no substance behind your claim. There is no difference in a digital Magic card and a physical one in terms of motivations to pay for one.

That you're anti-decentralization is just speculation on my part, as I can't think of any other plausible motivation for you inexplicably singling out NFTs as worthy of derision, and not centralized digital collectibles or physical collectibles.

Re: The collapse of cryptokitties, the first big blockchain game

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I read these articles sometimes about crypto games, but they all never seem to describe the actual game, it’s like crypto is the primary concern, and game is secondary, and i’m getting the distinct impression none of these games are any fun and everyone in the space has to avoid mentioning it. I think that the people writing these things only have a very slim grasp of gaming, but they know it would be a good market t…

I interviewed the head of a group who funds crypto games and his take was that these types of games no longer get funded exactly because of that. They aren't really fun because they aren't really games.

https://youtu.be/0hzyW-MLSBw

Re: The collapse of cryptokitties, the first big blockchain game

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post #312

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> Why do anti-crypto people always seem to go into all every conversation with completely bad faith? It's not bad faith. It's reality. It's also spotting logical and technological holes the size of Jupiter in any of the proposals from clueless[1] crypto maximalists. [1] Many of them are not clueless, just grifters

I'd add, someone can have a master's in math and be a phenomenal software engineer and still clueless vis-á-vis crypto. It's like Dunning-Kruger, except the bar for "doesn't know enough to know he doesn't know enough" is right at the ceiling

You don't have to be a master in math or a phenomenal software engineer to use common sense and logic. And common sense is more than enough to deal with crypto.
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