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Covid has a total of 1 million kills in two years (In the US). Excessive deaths puts that even higher.
Excess deaths are partially due to the official reactions to COVID, but disintangling the two is probably impossible.
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I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…
Depending on the country, people lost their jobs, weren't allowed to travel and were locked inside for not getting the vaccine(s), Austria even went as far as to introduce a law mandating everyone to get those vaccines (which they never executed and then promptly overturned). Now whole governments are admitting that people under 50 don't really need those vaccines after all. We now have studies claiming that serious…
Wtf are you talking about. TWiV absolutely thinks everyone needs two cycles of vaccination period… and it’s likely beneficial to get three.
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Mortality is very low for younger people with zero vaccinations as well.
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Also, for nearly all people affected, pericarditis and myocarditis adverse effects from vaccines were a) temporary and b) easily treatable.
During the pandemic, ICUs were hammered as they desperately tried to save the lives of people with Covid. Do you genuinely believe that the vaccinations caused the same influx into intensive care?
If you really think more young people were killed by vaccines than Covid, well, your pamphlet better have some really fucking compelling research backing it.
Another new account posting what will surely turn into a very civil thread.
The idea that you think just because my account is new that I'm some sort of troll is pretty insulting and ignorant of you. Go through my comment history.
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Many citations needed
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35361789/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32339092/ https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-29402-5
So to eliminate influenza we just need to destroy the economy, restrict travel, force people to pay $1000s in quarantine, cover our faces and close schools and office. And ignore all the negative consequences of that. Got it.
Your comment "almost vanished because we started using hand sanitizer and facemasks." is false. It was much more than that.
EDIT: and your links prove a reduction in influenza, yes, not "taught us that we don't need to accept so many deaths by influenza". That's a much wider debate and involves much more than scientific studies
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It's really funny to see this kind of covid hero discussion where one accuses people who aren't ok with vaccine policies of being "conspiracy theorists" (ignoring the difference between disagreement with compelled vaccination and believing in some imagined conspiracy) and then getting a reply theorizing that there is a conspiracy amongst "adversaries of the west" that's driving disagreement with authoritarian vaccine…
https://www.state.gov/russias-pillars-of-disinformation-and-... > The media multiplier effect can, at times, create disinformation storms with potentially dangerous effects for those Russia perceives as adversaries at the international, national, and local level. In the past, Russia has leveraged this dynamic to shield itself from criticism for its involvement in malign activity. This approach also allows Russia to b…
Title seem inaccurate to me. Article says they won't be offering a booster to under 50s. Presumably under 50s who have not yet had the first two doses can still get it.
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There actually really isn't any difference between the two groups. They differ only in how they articulate the same bad logic. Vaccines became broadly available in relatively wealthy countries in 2021 wherein the only reasonable position would have been that vaccination of all groups would decrease net mortality even among those unlikely to die and reduce damage to people's bodies that we were already seeing even wit…
I'm playing the devil's advocate and I'm not very comfortable with it, but I think it' valuable to the discussion to do so. You are oversimplying and again conflating both groups. You assume people made their mind first and then looked for experts' to support which it's not fair to a lot of them. Let's focus on an specific case. A healthy 25 years old male living in on of those countries. If he's an skeptic and decid…
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35361789/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32339092/ https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-29402-5
> ... travel restrictions, quarantine on arrival, social distancing, school and workplace closures, mask wearing, surface disinfection, and enhanced hand hygiene So to eliminate influenza we just need to destroy the economy, restrict travel, force people to pay $1000s in quarantine, cover our faces and close schools and office. And ignore all the negative consequences of that. Got it. Your comment "almost vanished be…
I am also sorry that you don't like the “we don't need to accept”. I merely meant that we should have learned by now that we can avoid lots of influenza infections by very simple means, of which improved hand hygiene is probably the most important (I don't have time to look for links, so feel free to ignore the claim).
Denmark has no COVID-19 restrictions, but we do have extensive influenza sentinel surveillance, so we will see how it goes in the upcoming influenza season.