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Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by cm2187 »

mcv wrote: post #263
cm2187 wrote: post #231

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But you can't negate the fact that we have also been told a lot of bullshit. I remember the same speech in Jan 2022 where the health minister of France explained that covid was dangerous for children and therefore they will mandate vaccinating children, immediately followed by the minister of education explaining that covid isn't dangerous for children, that the number of children hospitalised for covid is less than…

That's exactly my point: if you demand that people only speak absolute truths and take any disagreement as a sign that people are intentionally lying, then you're killing any honest constructive discussion. Clearly there was a disagreement about the danger it posed to children, and perhaps more importantly: the danger that infected children would pose for the adults around them. Because that's another frequently igno…

I don’t assume nefarious intentions, I assume stupidity and incompetence.

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Post by LadyCailin »

canoebuilder wrote: post #256
stingraycharles wrote: post #140

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In my experience, it’s usually not about finding out the actual facts / truth for these groups of people, but rather based mostly on emotion. I have an extremely hard time believing that letting them listen to TWiV would have any meaningful impact.

In my experience, it’s usually not about finding out the actual facts / truth for these groups of people actual facts https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/covid-deaths-in-israel-h... look at that chart and then recall the absolutely mad state so many people went into Summer 2021 "time to blame the 'unvaccinated'" "time to inject them against their will" "time to violate their basic human rights" https://alexberenson.s…

Public health rights and not clogging up hospitals with easily preventable diseases readily outweigh your individual right to not get vaccinated, in general. Had the discussions around the specific Covid vaccines been argued with this in mind, a more productive conversation could be had, but instead it jumps immediately to a conversation about “muh rights” which is wholeheartedly disingenuous and/or selfish.

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Post by BrainVirus »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #77
version_five wrote: post #73

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It's really funny to see this kind of covid hero discussion where one accuses people who aren't ok with vaccine policies of being "conspiracy theorists" (ignoring the difference between disagreement with compelled vaccination and believing in some imagined conspiracy) and then getting a reply theorizing that there is a conspiracy amongst "adversaries of the west" that's driving disagreement with authoritarian vaccine…

https://www.state.gov/russias-pillars-of-disinformation-and-... > The media multiplier effect can, at times, create disinformation storms with potentially dangerous effects for those Russia perceives as adversaries at the international, national, and local level. In the past, Russia has leveraged this dynamic to shield itself from criticism for its involvement in malign activity. This approach also allows Russia to b…

This flavor of argument-by-insinuation is getting really, really old.

Dismissing people or statement because they sound vaguely similar to some foreign source is in itself an obvious propaganda technique that uses exactly the same mentality as the dumbest conspiracy theories out there.

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Post by netsharc »

canoebuilder wrote: post #256
stingraycharles wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, it’s usually not about finding out the actual facts / truth for these groups of people, but rather based mostly on emotion. I have an extremely hard time believing that letting them listen to TWiV would have any meaningful impact.

In my experience, it’s usually not about finding out the actual facts / truth for these groups of people actual facts https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/covid-deaths-in-israel-h... look at that chart and then recall the absolutely mad state so many people went into Summer 2021 "time to blame the 'unvaccinated'" "time to inject them against their will" "time to violate their basic human rights" https://alexberenson.s…

Ah, you link to (your) "actual facts": a few short sentences, and a demand based on one graph. Plus speculation (no details though) that the vaccine is interacting with Omicron. A title with a demand in all caps.

Yay for facts, and not emotions! For the obtuse: the last sentence was sarcastic.

Give me a long detailed scientific paper and then maybe it's worth considering.

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Post by m000 »

theiz wrote: post #213
peter422 wrote: post #128

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I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

I really wish there was a normal conversation on this topic. If you would state that it might be better to offer vaccinations to the 50+ a few months back, you were an anti-vaxxer. That wording alone is also just to ridicule everyone that is somewhat critical on the Covid vaccination rules. There has been hardly any science in the regulations and mandates, just as there has been little science in the conspiracy peopl…

> If you would state that it might be better to offer vaccinations to the 50+ a few months back, you were an anti-vaxxer.

And rightfully so. Policies adapt to the currently prevailing COVID variant. A change of policy today is not a vindication for statements made months ago under different circumstances.

Also, if the one making the statement is not an expert themselves, they're typically cherry-picking statements of real experts to match their preoccupations, while the topic is in fact still under debate and the verdict can swing either way.

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Post by belorn »

didibus wrote: post #191
dekhn wrote: post #86

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honestly, it's just not worth arguing- some folks are going to be permanently convinced that the case for vaccination is much stronger than it really is. Like I said in other comments: the medical researcher community moved on and no longer believes that vaccines were nearly as effective as originally believed, for any criterion. We certainly aren't ever going to reach ongoing herd immunity so the most reasonable app…

There could still be vaccines that have the potential to be much more effective, like this one that's soon to enter Phase 1 human trial: https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/sars-coronavirus-variant-... I think it'll be interesting to follow further vaccine development in that sense. Also, I don't know why you say researchers no longer believes that vaccines missed the mark. Yes they didn't prevent reinfection of futur…

What has been generally disproved is the concept of herd immunity. Initially this was what scientists and researchers had hoped would occur with vaccinations, and sadly for multiple reasons this did not happen.

Vaccines does significant help in reducing the severity when a person get sick, which reduces the work load on the health care system and allowing the personal to focus their time and skill on people in worse conditions. That is great, but it changes the initial strategy in terms of application and goal.

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

_fizz_buzz_ wrote: post #208
fabian2k wrote: post #41

The page isn't very clear on this, but it looks to me like these are the terms for the 4th booster program. So this does not necessarily say anything about initial vaccinations, but about who to boost this fall/winter. In terms of mortality, the boosters have a significant effect for the elderly. For younger people without serious risk factors the immunity seems to keep longer and mortality is very low after only two…

Has this been updated since the new BA.1 and the BA.4/.5 booster have been approved in the EU? Because currently e.g. Germany has the same recommendation but it is expected to be updated in the next few days since they started rolling out the omikron boosters.

Croatia recently opened Omicron vaccine availability to all adults.

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Post by upsidesinclude »

ratg13 wrote: post #245
upsidesinclude wrote: post #228

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The 1 million number is not accurate over those two years. We know it isn't accurate because we know that large numbers were merely covid positive when they died (often using an inaccurate testing method) Providing perverse funding incentives to hospitals distorts the data

All you have to do is look at a chart of excess deaths to disprove this.

And how is that number derived?

Do you have any idea how the calculations are performed to arrive at that number?

I suggest you take some time to investigate. When we are talking about the US, in particular, the whole pandemic has been politicized

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Post by elcritch »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #216
fzeroracer wrote: post #147

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How do we know you're not 'controlled opposition'? If you want to make the argument that the people in question are establishment figures, then doesn't the same argument fly for you as well? How do we know you're not some agent of some other establishment pushing their own agenda other than 'trust me I'm a real person'? This line of debate leads nowhere other than a dead end where each side is convinced that the othe…

The proper medical response, and ethical one, is pretty simple. To any medical intevention there is risk. A chance of adverse events. A chance it won't work. Side effects. Your physician should make you aware of these potential issues, making you aware of them, before treating you. We call it informed consent. The ethical angle is a little more complex. Considering above, but also, knowing the statistics around fatal…

Not to mention trying to "force" the issue often isn't effective. There was a study on HN a while back showing higher rates of vaccination of newborns when the expectant mothers were given information on vaccines and their effectiveness months before and asked to consider them.

It's almost like most people can be reasonable if given the opportunity and proper information. People are also surprisingly good at picking up on BS, even if they then misattribute the source or reasoning.

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

peter422 wrote: post #128
scoofy wrote: post #63

I listen to TWiV, and the prominent virologists there are suggesting that we don't actually know what to do. In some of the latest episodes, they discuss frankly the fact that yearly boosters may or may not actually have any meaningful impact for normal healthy folks. They get into the details of why we know annual influenza boosters are effective, and that we really don't know yet whether COVID boosters will have th…

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

Depending on the country, people lost their jobs, weren't allowed to travel and were locked inside for not getting the vaccine(s), Austria even went as far as to introduce a law mandating everyone to get those vaccines (which they never executed and then promptly overturned).

Now whole governments are admitting that people under 50 don't really need those vaccines after all. We now have studies claiming that serious vaccination side effects are more likely than serious covid sickness in young men.

The anti vaxxers were proven RIGHT by this in many of their claims. How should they EVER trust governments again? How should they ever leave their anti-vax echochambers again? It was shown time and time again that governments and their high profile rockstar twitter "experts" get the facts right as many times as a broken clock the time, sometimes even spreading deliberate misinformation/lies ("Faucis noble lies") and absolutely can not be trusted.

My government as well scammed me into getting a second vaccine, after the retracted their claim that the single shot J&J vaccination would suffice.

I am not even an anti vaxxer -I am happy my parents are vaccinated. They always were at an at-risk age, but I am not and I am not interested in getting another covid vaccine. I remain terrified at the prospect of a reinstatement of the green pass system.

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