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Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by didibus »

dekhn wrote: post #86
peteradio wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because it protects you After already having had Covid? I'm fit in my 30s. > and others around you from disease. Has this borne out in practice? > My guess is, if you ask your doctor, he or she will recommend you take it. Guess again.

honestly, it's just not worth arguing- some folks are going to be permanently convinced that the case for vaccination is much stronger than it really is. Like I said in other comments: the medical researcher community moved on and no longer believes that vaccines were nearly as effective as originally believed, for any criterion. We certainly aren't ever going to reach ongoing herd immunity so the most reasonable app…

There could still be vaccines that have the potential to be much more effective, like this one that's soon to enter Phase 1 human trial: https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/sars-coronavirus-variant-...

I think it'll be interesting to follow further vaccine development in that sense.

Also, I don't know why you say researchers no longer believes that vaccines missed the mark. Yes they didn't prevent reinfection of future variants, and that I think everyone was hoping they would and no longer believes that, but just recently this study was published: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... showing an estimate of 14 to 20 million lives saved by the vaccines just during the first year of vaccination. And while 80% of that is from direct protection, 20% is from indirect protection such as:

> reducing the levels of burden placed on health-care systems, reducing the number of days that health-care capacity would have been exceeded and therefore contributing to an overall lower fatality rate from infection

That said the study highlights the same conclusion as yours, people at greater risk should be prioritized since direct protection is much more effective, and also low income countries that are not able to get or pay for vaccines are disproportionately affected, it would make sense to send vaccines that are going to young healthy low risk individuals in high income countries to these lower income places.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

yucky wrote: post #100
saagarjha wrote: post #8

> We expect that many people will be infected with covid-19 during autumn and winter. Ah yes, the “guess we might as well give up” strategy.

Literally every single person at work got vaccinated and still got Covid over the last year. Every single one. I actually can't think of a single person that was vaccinated and didn't get it, although I'm sure there must be a few that I know. I think it's fine to recommend that people get vaccinated to lessen symptoms, but we should probably stop pretending it significantly prevents the spread of infection. "The scie…

I never considered myself a vaccine skeptic prior to this.

While serving in the military got loaded up with all number of vaccines. If you serve, with an area of operations including Africa, you will get lots of shorts..

But now, I seriously do not trust the public health authorities.

I would prefer not to have to read 500 medical studies like I have done with covid with pros and cons on everything, and return to a pre-pandemic position of trust in public health authorities. But I think I cannot because they have proven themselves to be corrupt, politicized arbiters with an angle.

This is really a crummy situation.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by ckw »

nope96 wrote: post #92
peteradio wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because it protects you After already having had Covid? I'm fit in my 30s. > and others around you from disease. Has this borne out in practice? > My guess is, if you ask your doctor, he or she will recommend you take it. Guess again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/09/01/cdc-fall-bo... The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended Thursday that millions of eligible Americans, including those as young as 12, get an updated omicron-targeting booster shot to bolster defenses against serious illness and death during a potential fall or winter rise in covid-19 cases. If you doctor is telling you not to get the booster, you need…

UCSF professor Vinay Prasad making the case against the new boosters (and claiming that those responsible for these recommendations ‘exhibit a pattern of gross incompetence’):

https://youtu.be/USKDUvKmN5Q

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by michaelmrose »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #152
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #119

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People stopped taking special precautions for COVID six months ago in most of Europe. As soon as most of the population was vaccinated, it was pretty much over. Also, in my country, a lot of people got Omicron - and I mean a lot - realised it didn’t do much and pretty much stoped worrying.

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All masks that keep some of your spit in your mouth decreases viral transmission where the chance of transmission is linearly related to the number of potentially infectious particles in the environments

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by lovich »

eloisant wrote: post #167
belltaco wrote: post #67

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>But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza, and we're not going to. We do have "show your papers" for influenza. For example: https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-b-chapter-...

So you can get a visa, a green card, and live many years in the US without any proof of vaccination, but if you want citizenship THEN you need a proof of vaccine? That's weird.

You need your vaccination papers if you’re getting your green card as well, although I agree that it should probably be a visa requirement if we wanted to be serious about it

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by Dah00n »

yucky wrote: post #100
saagarjha wrote: post #8

> We expect that many people will be infected with covid-19 during autumn and winter. Ah yes, the “guess we might as well give up” strategy.

Literally every single person at work got vaccinated and still got Covid over the last year. Every single one. I actually can't think of a single person that was vaccinated and didn't get it, although I'm sure there must be a few that I know. I think it's fine to recommend that people get vaccinated to lessen symptoms, but we should probably stop pretending it significantly prevents the spread of infection. "The scie…

This is about Denmark and this is the reasoning they use. It is to lessen symptoms and hence it isn't given to people who have a very low risk of getting very sick by these symptoms. You are agreeing with the source but it doesn't read as if you read it.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by hamandcheese »

cat_plus_plus wrote: post #153
stingraycharles wrote: post #140

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In my experience, it’s usually not about finding out the actual facts / truth for these groups of people, but rather based mostly on emotion. I have an extremely hard time believing that letting them listen to TWiV would have any meaningful impact.

Just curious - if you say so many other people are forming their opinion based on emotion rather than facts / truth and don't realize that - why do you think you are immune to the same phenomena? I don't mean it as an insult, I probably also have a few beliefs like that, with no way to realize which ones. Certainly feels good to believe I am protected from a deadly disease and feels bad to wonder about side effects.…

Parent did not say they believe they are immune.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by simonh »

uwagar wrote: post #171
simonh wrote: post #150

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> I'll keep that in mind next time I am censored. When were you censored? I mean actually censored. Bearing in mind that being ignored, or the owners of publishing systems choosing not to cooperate with you in propagating your opinions on platforms they own or operate, is editorialising and not censorship.

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There’s plenty of evidence for a strong correlation between some opinions and mortality rates. There are probably in the region of 135,000 or more dead Americans who would probably be alive today if they’d not been persuaded to hold a particular opinion.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.10.22270823v...

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by colonwqbang »

phtrivier wrote: post #190

Headline slightly misleading. It will be interpreted as "vaccine too dangerous for under 50". Here Denmark will keep vaccinating young relatives of people at risk. Which may make sense, or not. Who knows ? Even all doctors are not 100% confident about anything anymore. At least it goes slighly against the narrative of "everyone's government is deep in the pocket of big pharma", and more into the narrative of "everyon…

I suppose it should say "no longer offering free vaccinations".

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by Wolfenstein98k »

kseistrup wrote: post #162
rossdavidh wrote: post #10

Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Now, influenza kills lots of people; in 2018 over 60,000 people were killed by influenza in the USA alone. But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza, and we're not going to.

Hasn't the pandemic also taught us that we don't need to accept so many deaths by influenza? I mean, here in Denmark influenza almost vanished because we started using hand sanitizer and facemasks.

And locked down and limited immigration.
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