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Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by nikolay »

aetherson wrote: post #148
nikolay wrote: post #123

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Even with the "low" death numbers right now (averaging between 400 and 500 people a day), it is still times worse than the worst flu epidemic in recent decades! Nevertheless, they will not be that low in the months from October to March, so this would be 4-5 times the worst flu with an epidemic "under control"! However, what if the virus reinvents the high mortality of SARS or MERS combined with being the second most…

It's been sub-400 per day (average) since Sept 4th, using the CDC numbers.

I use Our World in Data, which is HN-backed and highly respected: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #119
lifeformed wrote: post #33

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And that's with tons of precautions, whereas with the flu society doesn't take the kinds of mitigations we take with COVID.

People stopped taking special precautions for COVID six months ago in most of Europe. As soon as most of the population was vaccinated, it was pretty much over. Also, in my country, a lot of people got Omicron - and I mean a lot - realised it didn’t do much and pretty much stoped worrying.

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by cat_plus_plus »

stingraycharles wrote: post #140
peter422 wrote: post #128

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I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

In my experience, it’s usually not about finding out the actual facts / truth for these groups of people, but rather based mostly on emotion. I have an extremely hard time believing that letting them listen to TWiV would have any meaningful impact.

Just curious - if you say so many other people are forming their opinion based on emotion rather than facts / truth and don't realize that - why do you think you are immune to the same phenomena? I don't mean it as an insult, I probably also have a few beliefs like that, with no way to realize which ones. Certainly feels good to believe I am protected from a deadly disease and feels bad to wonder about side effects. So why listen to any critique of COVID-19 vaccines after I already got my shots?

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by somenameforme »

flyingcircus3 wrote: post #57
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #14

Another new account posting what will surely turn into a very civil thread.

It's been fascinating for the last couple of years to see how these daily armchair epidemiologist threads have transitioned from largely in support of vaccines to now largely against them. It seems there is some natural filtering at play. People looking for rational informed discussion about covid have realized it's no longer on HN, so they just don't participate anymore. Meanwhile,those who think this is all a giant…

Information and knowledge on the effectiveness and side effects of the vaccines has changed in a rather extreme fashion since the earlier phase of the pandemic. And the virus itself has also changed in a rather extreme way since the earlier phase. Why would you expect peoples views, in aggregate, to not similarly change?

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by nope96 »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #125
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #116

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> Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Unless long COVID turns out to be a real and serious thing...

It is real in that virus infections can have long-term consequences. This is not new and has been known for a long time, and this of course can happen with COVID too. It is not real insofar one assumes COVID is special or particularly more dangerous in this regard. It isn’t, except for temporary loss of smell and reduced aerobic capacity. Also see https://kirkegaard.substack.com/p/how-unreal-is-long-covid

> It is not real ...

The posters on https://www.reddit.com/r/covidlonghaulers/ would disagree with you

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by didibus »

version_five wrote: post #4

Good for them for actually following science instead of the religion it had become. The problem of course is other countries that demand it, and no doubt will continue to demand Nth shots to appeal to their religious base, meaning people will who want to travel have to keep getting the shots anyway

Which country mandate a 4th booster shot to under 50s?

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by inferiorhuman »

purpleblue wrote: post #104
nope96 wrote: post #96

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Seriously, you need a better doctor. What did your doctor say, specifically? That you should not get the newest Covid booster? Have you ever been vaccinated? Calling me a jerk is rude. What's also rude? Refusing to get a vaccine that will protect you and others because you are afraid it will somehow hurt you.

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  Monica Gandhi who is a well known epidimeologist at UCSF and the
  furthest from an anti-vaxxer has said publicly she will not vax her
  kids with the COVID vaccine because there's no proof that it's
  needed for healthy children.
No, she fucking didn't. Even the Daily Mail debunks your lies. Monica Gandhi, for all her faults, vaccinated her children.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10448853/Top-doctor...

  Both Gandhi and Offit, who have advocated for the vaccine and gotten
  themselves and their children vaccinated, claimed the CDC was premature
  in advising teens to get a COVID booster shot on January 5, with Gandhi
  saying, 'I am not giving my 12 and 14-year-old boys boosters.'
Or as she wrote for the SF Chronicle:

  There should be no argument over whether vaccinating children against
  COVID is necessary; instead, our focus should be on the best way to do it.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Yes-ki...

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by Barrin92 »

howinteresting wrote: post #144
Barrin92 wrote: post #114

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because it's a scientific /public healthcare question whether the vaccine makes sense or not and in Denmark healthcare isn't a 'choose your own adventure' book. With medical questions there's not much middle ground. Either a treatment is indicated or not.

This is just plainly untrue. Doctors disagree all the time about medical questions.

that discourse is already reflected in the consensus on who to vaccinate which is presented to you on that site as far as Denmark goes. Doctors don't just wing it, they go by those very same research results.

Doctors may disagree about individual cases of disease, they don't disagree at all about who to vaccinate, they follow guidelines.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

ribosometronome wrote: post #34
rossdavidh wrote: post #10

Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Now, influenza kills lots of people; in 2018 over 60,000 people were killed by influenza in the USA alone. But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza, and we're not going to.

>But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza Except for when we do shut things down. It's far from without precedent for the government to mandate personal safety requirements, tho. Seatbelt laws for cars are near universal in the US and that's a much more only-effects-you decision compared to vaccination.

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