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Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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> just pay for YouTube Premium This would imply signing-in. I don't sign in and reset the cookies regularly because I don't want my history tracked and suggestions personalized. But Okay, I would sign-in and pay, if every video page had a download button and the whole thing would give me an API exposing all the features reliably (so I could use it easily in 3-rd party players with search and suggestions).

> I don't want my history tracked and suggestions personalized. I am genuinely curious, how do you find videos worth your time without recommendations? 99.9% of what’s on YouTube I have zero interest in, the recommendation engine is how I cull the noise and actually find things to watch.

One shouldn't go to YouTube to fill time, but to find something.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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Imho, the big question here is, if there's actually a trend. Was it easier, 10 years ago, to make money from a website, with just one single (non-animated) banner on top, than it is today with a website that's plastered with animated banners, link ads, and other stuff? Was it easier, 10 years ago, to make money from a video platform, with just one single skip-able ad at the start of each video - than it is today with…

Just look at auto insurance industry. A significant portion of your premiums is actually spent on advertising. It doesn’t seem like the stupid gecko commercials will ever die. Great podcast on planet money - https://www.npr.org/2022/06/01/1102496094/the-gecko-effect

I definitely recommend listening to that podcast. They make a really good point that insurance is an industry that benefits hugely from advertising, because the competitor products really aren’t all that differentiated from each other.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/19/business/media/netflix-am... https://www.polygon.com/23300486/disney-plus-subscription-ad... https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/20/17761760/twitch-prime-tur... Like the above sites, later on you will need to buy Youtube Premium Pro to actually get ad free youtube experience. Later on the current premium will definitely have ads.

And who would pay for Premium non-Pro? The situation really isn't comparable because YouTube is already available for free with ads. Paying to get less ads isn't a great value add. > Later on the current premium will definitely have ads. I take it you work on the strategy of YouTube?

> And who would pay for Premium non-Pro? The situation really isn't comparable because YouTube is already available for free with ads. Paying to get less ads isn't a great value add.

To get Youtube Original content like Kobra Kai (it moved to netflix in the end)

https://deadline.com/2020/06/cobra-kai-moves-netflix-youtube...

Or for non-premium user will get 5 ads before start of video whereas Premium user will get 1 ad before videos and get youtube originals, background video playback, download videos, youtube music etc. And Youtube Premium Pro users will get all other benefits of Premium users with one extra feature of going completely ad-free.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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post #131

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The outcome is identical. I am able to navigate to the thing I'm looking for, without needless time-wasting. Like any business, Youtube's free to deny me service if what I'm doing is sufficiently detrimental to their business.

Again your logic is nonsensical. Going into a cvs and stealing and saying it’s ok because they don’t do more to stop you isn’t justification

For me to have stolen something, there needs to be less of a product in the store between the time I arrived, and the time I left. In this scenario, CVS' inventory stays exactly the same.

You are in "you wouldn't download a car" territory, so nothing I say is likely to convince you. These points have been argued since time immemorial, i.e. 2000, Lars Ulrich v Napster. Youtube isn't any different.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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Did you ever see Idiocracy? It's become hackneyed to say that we're approaching it, but look at the way they handle advertising. Basically the video you watch is just a window surrounded by scrolling advertisement banners. The trend was clear then. Look at shows from the past, a "1 hour" program used to consist of what, 52 minutes? I know it's crept from 48 minutes to 42 last I checked. I even remember reading about…

Look at the content as well, it all descends into "reality" TV shit like Ghost Hunters and Street Outlaws.

Eh, I’d probably watch “Ow, my balls!”.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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post #113

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sad that it is not available on iOS

Yattee [1] and AdGuard [2] are two solutions I’ve found that can help. [1] https://github.com/yattee/yattee [2] https://adguard.com/en/blog/how-to-add-a-shortcut-to-block-y...

Holy cow how have I not heard of testflight installation method with which yattee is being distributed! Reading up more on it, seems you need to be an ios developer to use it. Beh.

Thanks for mentioning yatee, as adguard is severely lacking in that ads are rarely blocked.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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post #79

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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/19/business/media/netflix-am... https://www.polygon.com/23300486/disney-plus-subscription-ad... https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/20/17761760/twitch-prime-tur... Like the above sites, later on you will need to buy Youtube Premium Pro to actually get ad free youtube experience. Later on the current premium will definitely have ads.

I would argue that Youtube, while being a video streaming service, is fundamentally different than Disney+, Hulu, Netflix, etc. Biggest difference is YT does not incur production and distribution costs (ie distribution rights). Creators on YT upload their videos and YT only pays out when they also make money off the ads. So if a creator made a video and published it on YT and the thing got 10 views and no ad-revenue,…

What you said is true to some extent, but youtube also makes their own youtube originals.

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6358146?hl=en

It also has youtube gaming where they pay streamers (buy out streamers at once) via contract just like Netflix buys rights for movies and tv shows.

https://www.polygon.com/23053800/sykkuno-youtube-deal-stream...

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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post #145

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Again your logic is nonsensical. Going into a cvs and stealing and saying it’s ok because they don’t do more to stop you isn’t justification

For me to have stolen something, there needs to be less of a product in the store between the time I arrived, and the time I left. In this scenario, CVS' inventory stays exactly the same. You are in "you wouldn't download a car" territory, so nothing I say is likely to convince you. These points have been argued since time immemorial, i.e. 2000, Lars Ulrich v Napster. Youtube isn't any different.

So your opinion is basically that as long as it’s not physical, it’s free to take.

Good thing others think differently or software wouldn’t be a viable business.

Re: YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before video starts

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post #17

Firefox + uBlock Origin = no ads. Also on mobile :)

Also on Android*, unfortunately. If you want adblocking youtube on iOS I recommend using Safari with the vinegar (paid) extension. (And wipr for general adblocking) ETA: If I remember correctly, Brave Browser also has ad blocking built in. For youtube as well.

Does iOS allow VPNs? I imagine it does.

I set up a PiHole in the cloud and set it up so it requires VPN access so that nothing between my phone and the PiHole can fuck with the DNS packets. I VPN into it on my Android and get ad blocking almost* everwhere. I've also configured it to only tunnel DNS lookups, so I don't get charge egress fees for all my phone's traffic, which, granted isn't a lot, but whatever.

* Sadly, it doesn't block YouTube ads, but I rarely access YouTube on my phone anyways.

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