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Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by RHSman2 »

vintermann wrote: post #307
opportune wrote: post #147

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Agreed, it is the general public propagating this. Just go onto Reddit and you’ll see it everywhere. For cannabis I find the attitude pretty scary, having been a daily user myself several times (including now) and dealing with the side effects. It does have negatives. I would hate for everyone to have to learn that the hard way or for them to misidentify the causes, though even those side effects are pretty mild - so…

Psychedelic popularity goes in waves, but it never really "takes off" the way stimulant and opiate use does. I suspect it's due to the radomness of bad trips, basically. There's been some interesting research that for most drugs, effects are heavily mediated by expectation - if you don't expect to enjoy it, you almost certainly won't, and the effect it has on you is likewise very learned - there are many cultures whe…

If you read all the YouTube comments on massive trips I suggest that people aren’t actually getting the ‘message’ and are just the same old, same old.

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Post by RHSman2 »

eej71 wrote: post #102
darth_avocado wrote: post #12

I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

Agreed. My baseless and unsourced opinion is that the hardware we call the brain which makes consiousness possible can only take so many hits.

I don’t think the jury is out in that point dear fellow.

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Post by RHSman2 »

scythe wrote: post #41
darth_avocado wrote: post #12

I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

The primary positive effect of cannabis in the general population is probably that it tends to interfere with alcohol consumption, due to excessive sedation. This probably explains the lack of negative population-level effects of cannabis legalization. The most concerning effect of cannabis is its tendency to increase heart rate. Quite a bit of research is available on the effects of cannabis use — the problem is tha…

I’d say the increase in a desire to eat the fridge is way more serious.

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Post by RHSman2 »

ch4s3 wrote: post #124
nico wrote: post #94

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Recently attended a lecture on Cannabis by a renowned researcher on the subject (the Director of the UCLA Center for Cannabis & Cannabinoids) The most adverse (proven) effects of Cannabis are: * Frequent bronchitis (for people that smoke it) * Risk of vehicle crashes * Low pregnancy weight, preterm birth, NICU * Mental health (associated risk of schizophrenia, depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, Cannabis use diso…

> Frequent bronchitis (for people that smoke it) Yep breathing combustion products is pretty bad for you. > Risk of vehicle crashes I'm not aware of any proponents of driving while high. > Low pregnancy weight, preterm birth, NICU Again, who's advocating for pregnant women to consume cannabis? > Mental health (associated risk of schizophrenia, depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, Cannabis use disorder) I think thi…

Ounce. Touché

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Post by pjc50 »

serverholic wrote: post #322
pjc50 wrote: post #309

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People cannot cope with even the slightest gray area, so they end up saying and doing ridiculous things. Everything has to be 100% good or 100% bad. The political environment makes this worse: if you concede anything at all, it will simply be used as a weapon against you. Of course, it took decades to get people to acknowledge that the harms of some drugs were far less than the harm caused by policing them, and that…

I’ve noticed binary thinking everywhere, even among smart people. I think thought leaders know this which is why, for example, the woke cult doesn’t allow any disagreement with any piece of the transgender narrative. It’s all or nothing because they’re afraid that allowing any disagreement will cause people’s binary thinking to switch to the other side.

> woke cult doesn’t allow any disagreement with any piece of the transgender narrative.

sigh please don't use terms of abuse such as "woke cult" on HN.

And yes, people are being incredibly defensive because there are a number of misinformation campaigns circulating trying to get trans healthcare banned for everyone. The war on drugs, for testosterone and estrogen.

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Post by gilded-lilly »

valtism wrote: post #297
gilded-lilly wrote: post #289

One of my pet peeves is the oft repeated slogan “it’s not addictive”. And by definition, that’s true. But neither is Methamphetamine. But people still throw it around like it’s some kind of scientific blessing that you can’t form a dependency. Also, I think the true cost of marijuana is the opportunity cost - it’s not just what it does to you, it’s what it takes from you - your motivation, potential etc. And it’s rea…

I don't understand what you mean by saying that Cannabis and Meth are not addictive by definition. I think that they are both dependency-inducing and addictive as drugs.

“Addictive” only applies to substances which cause physical withdrawal symptoms - coffee, cigarettes, xanax, heroin, alcohol. But drugs such as methamphetamine and cannabis technically aren’t addictive because they don’t cause any physical withdrawal symptoms.

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Post by tsol »

PointlessLogin wrote: post #310
pjc50 wrote: post #309

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People cannot cope with even the slightest gray area, so they end up saying and doing ridiculous things. Everything has to be 100% good or 100% bad. The political environment makes this worse: if you concede anything at all, it will simply be used as a weapon against you. Of course, it took decades to get people to acknowledge that the harms of some drugs were far less than the harm caused by policing them, and that…

> People cannot cope with even the slightest gray area, so they end up saying and doing ridiculous things. Everything has to be 100% good or 100% bad. I suggest this binary positioning is a very American phenomenon; the cultural reasons for which I'm unable to suggest a reason for.

You think only Americans behave that way? Seems like a very binary way of thinking..

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Post by asveikau »

Maursault wrote: post #321
asveikau wrote: post #237

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> but psychotic episode remains a vanishingly rare event among users, insignificantly so. I don't think that's likely to be true at all. Single digit percentages of all humans have a psychotic disorder. If cannabis had no effect and such an event is coincidental, we would certainly not call it "vanishingly rare". > But these days conservatives have gone overboard in twisting the facts to promote their nanny state age…

You can not win an argument promoting false facts. Far less than one percent of the population will suffer a psychotic episode, between 0.25% and 0.64%. If being told what to do is intolerable to you, then stop telling others what to do. You are not in charge, nor are those with your false beliefs.

You seem confused here. I never told you what to do. Not once. I've said it explicitly several times and you appear not to be reading.

Nor have I given you any false information. I said single digit percentages for psychotic disorders. About 4% of the population has bipolar (bipolar I can involve psychosis) and about 1% has schizophrenia.

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Post by viridian »

ttpphd wrote: post #74
dr_dshiv wrote: post #17

“ 6 exposures (unplanned pregnancy; maternal alcohol, marijuana, and tobacco use early in pregnancy; pregnancy complications; and birth complications) independently associated with significant but small increases in CBCL total score. Among these 6, none increased the odds of crossing the threshold for clinically significant symptoms by itself. However, odds of exceeding this threshold became significant with 2 exposu…

Huh. Weird that from that result the focus of the conversation is on cannabis.

Alcohol and tobacco cessation are heavily pushed on you the second you begin to try to conceive. Doctors tell you there is no safe amount of alcohol. The only place weed was even mentioned to me was in the Mayo clinic guide to pregnancy, once.

You are a dozen times more likely to get the smoking lecture and hundreds of times more likely to get the booze lecture at any given time.

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Post by jamesssssss833 »

maxbond wrote: post #262
jamesssssss833 wrote: post #208

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The FDA does and should if the person spreading the bs about the Miracle Cure That Has Doctors Mad is also selling the miracle cure. Thats the real issue.

I feel like a lot of the boots-on-the-ground evangelist/sales people in this industry are themselves victims of fraud who have been sucked into pyramid schemes (now more commonly referred to as multilevel or network marketing for obvious optics reasons) and that society wouldn't especially benefit from bringing the hammer down on them. I think there's a deeper problem here with the relationship between patient and do…

Oh I completely agree with you there. Thats the way underground/illegal economies work generally. They identify a need not met by the legal market and charge a premium for something that they say addresses it. Personally im fine with it if you (bad/nonsense example) buy tree bark from your guy marketing it as organic aspirin. I take more an issue when whats being sold as organic aspirin is closer to sugar flavored with arsenic
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