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Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by kgwxd »

JellyBeanThief wrote: post #57
kazinator wrote: post #24

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Making Monopoly money for the kids? You cannot make counterfeit currency with Photoshop. Paper money has security features that won't even convert to pixels in the first place, like holograms, transparencies and fibers embedded in the paper and such, never mind reproduce by conventional printing. This whole deterrence system is idiotic. People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve…

> People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve it; it goes with their collection of wooden nickels. Define "obviously". Black and white on copy paper? Sure. But color ink, on paper of the right color and feel? That's different. Forget the fibers and the holograms--we're not worried about people printing $20s and $100s to buy a high-end TV. It's singles and fives for groceries and h…

This is what law is for. Getting caught, even for the smallest unit, should far outweigh the benefit. One in ten people aren't going to take that risk. There's no reason a random group of bankers should be expecting the entire world to partake in their anti-counterfeiting measures by putting closed source software in their products. It will never prevent someone who has decided to become a counterfeiter from accomplishing their goal unless the entire world is on board and no one ever figures out how to work around it. It's just more security theater, paid for with taxpayer money, a global scam that's far more disgusting to me than any counterfeiting crime I've heard of.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by kgwxd »

wingspar wrote: post #34
kazinator wrote: post #24

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Making Monopoly money for the kids? You cannot make counterfeit currency with Photoshop. Paper money has security features that won't even convert to pixels in the first place, like holograms, transparencies and fibers embedded in the paper and such, never mind reproduce by conventional printing. This whole deterrence system is idiotic. People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve…

At least in the US, ‘old’ bills are still legal tender. A counterfeit bill pre-holograms and recent security stuff is still usable in public.

People get the cops called on them for trying to use $2 bills. If someone's trying to quietly pass off fake money, using funny looking bills as a template is a real bad choice. I got a crisp $20 from 1988 out of my banks ATM last week and anyone that even glanced at it noticed it was weird.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by hilbert42 »

Symbiote wrote: post #105
acomjean wrote: post #66

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Money can be pretty. Before the euro (last century) a friend had a poster sized version of a 50(?) German Mark bill.

It's not particular beautiful, but I have a £50 in perfect condition. I intend to frame it and put it somewhere, as it has Alan Turing on the reverse. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/note281993.html

What happened to the other post, (I was in the middle of replying to it)?

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by Kiro »

edgyquant wrote: post #153
Kiro wrote: post #108

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How would they blur the shirt if they can't open the file?

AI doesn’t use photoshop

What AI and how is it relevant to this discussion? The point is that you shouldn't be able to open the file in Photoshop, not that a random AI shouldn't be able to view it.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by Symbiote »

hilbert42 wrote: post #145
Symbiote wrote: post #105

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It's not particular beautiful, but I have a £50 in perfect condition. I intend to frame it and put it somewhere, as it has Alan Turing on the reverse. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/note281993.html

Given what's happened this week I think that note has more significance than just Turing. Might be a good idea to obtain few mint ones and stash them away just in case they don't stick around all that long. Redesign likely has already been done.

Banknotes didn't display the monarch until the 1960s-1980s (depending on value), so there's no precedent to follow in this case.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by kazinator »

kube-system wrote: post #94
devwastaken wrote: post #83

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Safety vs freedom. If we continue to conjure hypotheticals and remove responsibility from the individual then you will be the cause of the issue, not the solution. The overwhelming majority of transactions are not even cash anymore. I would not throw around the word "privledged" like a triangle that fits in every hole. Or else it loses it's intended meaning.

This outcome is freedom. Adobe chose to voluntarily add CDS to photoshop. Their software, their choice. Nothing here is hypothetical. Scams exist precisely because they do fool people. To say that people “deserve” to be scammed is either a statement made from a malice or from a disconnect of the reality of who falls victim to scams. If someone has never even considered that someone’s disability (as one example) would…

What I was referring to was something like people being scammed by someone who just scanned some paper money, did some image manipulation on it with their PC, then printed it on some 8.5x11 paper from Staples and cut it up.

That's what Adobe is trying to prevent. A sophisticated counterfeiter won't be deterred by some "ethics theatre" in Adobe Photoshop.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by ASalazarMX »

richrichardsson wrote: post #148
hilbert42 wrote: post #145

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Given what's happened this week I think that note has more significance than just Turing. Might be a good idea to obtain few mint ones and stash them away just in case they don't stick around all that long. Redesign likely has already been done.

I read that pre-decimilisation it was common to find coins with different monarchs depicted on them, presumably because they last a bit longer than notes. My understanding is that they are in no great rush to remove ER II notes/coins from circulation, but that all newly minted currency will bear Charles III. There's also a great joke doing the rounds that most notes already have Charlie on them anyway.

> There's also a great joke doing the rounds that most notes already have Charlie on them anyway.

Would you care to elaborate? This joke went over my head.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by kube-system »

kazinator wrote: post #166
kube-system wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This outcome is freedom. Adobe chose to voluntarily add CDS to photoshop. Their software, their choice. Nothing here is hypothetical. Scams exist precisely because they do fool people. To say that people “deserve” to be scammed is either a statement made from a malice or from a disconnect of the reality of who falls victim to scams. If someone has never even considered that someone’s disability (as one example) would…

What I was referring to was something like people being scammed by someone who just scanned some paper money, did some image manipulation on it with their PC, then printed it on some 8.5x11 paper from Staples and cut it up. That's what Adobe is trying to prevent. A sophisticated counterfeiter won't be deterred by some "ethics theatre" in Adobe Photoshop.

Most counterfeits are shitty counterfeits. The common scheme isn't to print it on copy paper, though. The common scheme is to bleach low value notes and then print on that paper with a desktop printer.

> In the last fiscal year, nearly 60 percent of the $88.7 million in counterfeit currency recovered in the U.S. was created using inkjet or laser printers, the Secret Service says.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-05-07/mom-with-...

Of course, Adobe is well aware that other image editing software exists. They did this not because they think they're going to save the world, they did it because:

> "As a market leader and a good corporate citizen, this just seems like the right thing to do,"

> This is not something that is ever going to be an ironclad thing that prevents all usage.

https://www.wired.com/2004/01/currency-detector-easy-to-defe...

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by hilbert42 »

Symbiote wrote: post #165
hilbert42 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given what's happened this week I think that note has more significance than just Turing. Might be a good idea to obtain few mint ones and stash them away just in case they don't stick around all that long. Redesign likely has already been done.

Banknotes didn't display the monarch until the 1960s-1980s (depending on value), so there's no precedent to follow in this case.

In case my previous post wasn't clear, old banknotes are continually withdrawn from service and are automatically replenished with new ones. This happens when they're deemed to scruffy to use (i.e. won't be recognised in automatic note/pay machines, etc.). Thus, every country has a deemed service life for notes which can range from some months to several years, moreover high denomination notes are less used so their estimated service life is longer.

Given the change of monarch, the Elizabeth II/Turing note would be expected to remain in service and follow its normal life cycle (whatever the UK deems that to be) but come replenishment time it will automatically be replaced with a new Charles III note.

Essentially, if the UK follows normal precedent then no more Elizabeth II/Turing £50s (with the possible exception of uncirculated stock) will enter service. That is, they'll soon become rare, especially so new uncirculated ones.

Again, if the UK follows tradition then the 'components' of the new note will have likely been in the design phase for quite some time. I'd bet that various designs of the new King's bust already exist and are now awaiting the King's final approval.

Thus, if I wanted a mint condition £50 or for that matter any note of current issue then I'd be on the immediate hunt right now.

Coins are totally different, they remain in circulation indefinitely. The exception of course was when the currency changed with decimalisation, old coins no longer represented useable values of currency so countries such as NZ, UK and Australia were forced to remove all LSD coins and notes from circulation with the change of currency.

Those of us who were around in the pre-decimal era were used to seeing coins with every† monarch on them back to Victorian times. It's why I've still got boxes of pennies and halfpennies with Victoria's bust on them.

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† Of course, Edward VIII excepted, although some uncirculated coins with his bust on them do exist (and they're now extremely value). The fact that they do is evidence for what I said above about the preparation of new currency being well in hand well before the actual event.

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Edit: FYI: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VIII_coins.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/17/rare-coin-featuring-king-edw...

Note the value!

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