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Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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It’s not merchants saying that. It’s users. And in places where pot is legalized, the illegal trade continues.

Suprisingly, decades-old social networks are not toppled overnight and people don’t change their behavior if it’s more convenient not to.

Especially if the illegal trade is economically still worth it. (they don't pay taxes)

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Yeah but I bet people that are sold on palm oil is evil are on low fat diet. And that the calories from fat they don't consume come from carbohydrates, not proteins.

That's a strange assumption and certainly isn't true for me. I limit carbohydrates as much as possible. The majority of my calories come from fat and protein.

so wht fat you add to your diet? animal fats are, like, 30% palmitic acid.

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One of my pet peeves is the oft repeated slogan “it’s not addictive”. And by definition, that’s true. But neither is Methamphetamine. But people still throw it around like it’s some kind of scientific blessing that you can’t form a dependency. Also, I think the true cost of marijuana is the opportunity cost - it’s not just what it does to you, it’s what it takes from you - your motivation, potential etc. And it’s rea…

On the other hand coffee is addictive, but I have yet so see someone go down the drain mentally for drinking coffee all the time. Sure, not a lot of pot users do, but there's the minority that seems to spend 80% of their free time smoking.

There are people who spend 80% of their time with a cup of coffee; it's not without side effects either, they risk e.g.: increased blood pressure, anxiety, trouble sleeping.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

Personally know someone who began having psychotic episodes after using cannibis. Episodes stopped when stopped using. We need to treat pot like we treat alcohol or tobacco. It’s dangerous. People shouldn’t be using it.

Your data is not representative, but your conclusion sounds reasonable to me. The fact that cannabis is forbidden while much more destructive drugs like alcohol are promoted in our culture is ridiculous. If only we treated cannabis the same we treat tobacco or alcohol :/.

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I wonder if it has impact on sperm integrity and therefore men who are reproducing should abstain for some time prior to inseminating.

It's odd this is getting so downvoted. A lot of projection perhaps? We don't know the answer and there's good research showing cannabinoids in sperm. Why's it so outrageous to suggest that until we know the answer, don't birth a kid with a weed tinted fertilizer?

The answer above is neutral, yours is not "don't birth a kid with a weed tinted fertilizer". There are many things that hypothetically could be bad and we do not have the answer. Which is we normally go by the opposite approach:

What data do we have that indicates, that high sperm is bad?

As far as I know, none.

(A pregnant mother smoking is a whole different story)

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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The point is that weed isn't just bad for you, it depends on your condition and the dosage.

Do you need weed to survive?

We do a lot of things other than those just to survive. The thing to talk about these days is "quality of life". If cannabis helps, and a person wants to use it, it's not really my business.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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I don't think there are any researchers saying marijuana is anything but beneficial. It's every day people. Same thing for psychedelics. There was a thread on LSD the other day and I had to point out twice that HPPD happens as a result, and is a disorder that can cause significant mental distress. Honestly I think it only does a disservice to the cause to make claims like that

Agreed, it is the general public propagating this. Just go onto Reddit and you’ll see it everywhere. For cannabis I find the attitude pretty scary, having been a daily user myself several times (including now) and dealing with the side effects. It does have negatives. I would hate for everyone to have to learn that the hard way or for them to misidentify the causes, though even those side effects are pretty mild - so…

Psychedelic popularity goes in waves, but it never really "takes off" the way stimulant and opiate use does. I suspect it's due to the radomness of bad trips, basically.

There's been some interesting research that for most drugs, effects are heavily mediated by expectation - if you don't expect to enjoy it, you almost certainly won't, and the effect it has on you is likewise very learned - there are many cultures where they don't believe alcohol makes you more social, for instance, and where consequently, it doesn't.

But psychedelics are the big exception. They really do "work". But the flip side of that while you may get a wonderful experience despite not expecting one, you may also get a very bad one. And "guidance" isn't reliable in avoiding it, precisely because it's not expectation driven like other drugs.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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I read this right after I got back from the marijuana store where a pregnant woman was buying weed. It made me uncomfortable. It just seems risky to me to take intoxicants while the babies brain is forming.

> It just seems risky to me to take intoxicants

Look at what people eat/drink every day, probably less than 25% of the population cares about what enters their body

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

> However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Or even worse, "it's nothing but beneficial!". And yes, I'm a semi-regular "user"

People cannot cope with even the slightest gray area, so they end up saying and doing ridiculous things. Everything has to be 100% good or 100% bad. The political environment makes this worse: if you concede anything at all, it will simply be used as a weapon against you.

Of course, it took decades to get people to acknowledge that the harms of some drugs were far less than the harm caused by policing them, and that the harms had been wildly exaggerated for political reasons, so it's not really surprising that people will jump to deny any harm in case it gets banned again.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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> However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Or even worse, "it's nothing but beneficial!". And yes, I'm a semi-regular "user"

People cannot cope with even the slightest gray area, so they end up saying and doing ridiculous things. Everything has to be 100% good or 100% bad. The political environment makes this worse: if you concede anything at all, it will simply be used as a weapon against you. Of course, it took decades to get people to acknowledge that the harms of some drugs were far less than the harm caused by policing them, and that…

> People cannot cope with even the slightest gray area, so they end up saying and doing ridiculous things. Everything has to be 100% good or 100% bad.

I suggest this binary positioning is a very American phenomenon; the cultural reasons for which I'm unable to suggest a reason for.

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