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Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by morelisp »

NonNefarious wrote: post #449
austinjp wrote: post #327

The UK media (not just the BBC) continue to profess "amazement" at the speed and efficiency of the transitioning from a dead monarch to a living one. There's been much speaking in awed tones at the pace of the various proclamations, committee meetings, document signings, etc, as if this pace tells us why we should be impressed. Personally I've found it borderline sickening. If there was a curtain that could have slip…

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Are the arrests also nothing more than pageantry? I'm pretty sure they're going Real Jail.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by Bancakes »

austinjp wrote: post #327

The UK media (not just the BBC) continue to profess "amazement" at the speed and efficiency of the transitioning from a dead monarch to a living one. There's been much speaking in awed tones at the pace of the various proclamations, committee meetings, document signings, etc, as if this pace tells us why we should be impressed. Personally I've found it borderline sickening. If there was a curtain that could have slip…

Why are you so irrationally afraid of politics, specifically the Royal family? Did they form a child army, did they smuggle heroin, did they kick puppies?

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by becquerel »

koheripbal wrote: post #80
user764743 wrote: post #37

> The new law allows police to act in cases which they deem to be "unjustifiably noisy protests that may have a significant impact on others" or seriously disrupt an organization's activities. Doesn't take a political science degree to see what's wrong with this law. When cops get to decide what is a justifiably loud protest and what isn't you no longer have the right to protest. Protests are meant to disrupt, if you…

Protests are not meant to disrupt. They are meant to convince your fellow citizens of your position. Being a disruptive $#@t, not only defeats that purpose, it actually causes more people to vote against you. Moreover, emotionally driven teenagers (or stunted "adults") use these protests as a pubescent venting mechanism to smash business and mistreat adults they encounter, like some narcissistic violent therapy sessi…

Did the CEO of liberalism write this?

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by Bancakes »

illiac786 wrote: post #480
chrisseaton wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think a constitution has to be written? Why extra power do you think something gets from being written down? North Korea has a written constitution. Does does that make it better in practice than the UK’s?

If it’s not written down, anyone can interpret it any way he likes and debate this for the next centuries. To avoid this kind of problem, it is a good idea to have representatives of the people write it down. And yes, it will never be perfect, and it will get outdated over time, etc. etc. Still better than millions of different mental interpretations. Also does not change the fact that the people can request a change…

Oh like USA's endless amendment debates and "common sense X" acts?

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by becquerel »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #267
pessimizer wrote: post #176

This is a great time for the British to have a little revolution with very modest aims like this. Both the government and the opposition are indistinguishable warmongering austerians who hate working people, British energy bills are tripling due to elite adventurism, posturing, and US ass-kissing, and the ex-colonies are openly proposing separating from the Commonwealth. What's more, the Queen alternated between a be…

> Pair it with the abolition/democratization of the Lords, and they'll finish the revolution that Cromwell spoiled. Ironically, in the last decade the Lords have a much better track record that the Commons. They applied real scruitiny to the opressive protest bill, the Brexit bill and the bill to deal with unsafe building we discovered in the wake of corporate manslaughter, which was a result of rampant fraud in the…

Extremely dire sign that this is what we have to place our trust in!

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by chrisseaton »

illiac786 wrote: post #480
chrisseaton wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think a constitution has to be written? Why extra power do you think something gets from being written down? North Korea has a written constitution. Does does that make it better in practice than the UK’s?

If it’s not written down, anyone can interpret it any way he likes and debate this for the next centuries. To avoid this kind of problem, it is a good idea to have representatives of the people write it down. And yes, it will never be perfect, and it will get outdated over time, etc. etc. Still better than millions of different mental interpretations. Also does not change the fact that the people can request a change…

> If it’s not written down, anyone can interpret it any way he likes and debate this for the next centuries.

What does ‘right to bear arms’ precisely means? Nobody knows.

> Still better than millions of different mental interpretations.

There are millions of different mental interpretations of the US written constitution.

Can you give some examples of parts of the UK constitution that are debated as much?

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by HyperSane »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #361
random_upvoter wrote: post #214

I've been a bit disconcerted at the level of unmitigated adulation that's been showered on the late queen by the media. I have nothing bad to say about Elizabeth II but I too do my job every day -- without a staff of hundreds to prepare my breakfast -- and I don't think I will be sanctified the day I keel over. It's all so serious and deeply conservative you'd think we are back in the 1950. In the 1970s Monty Python…

Why in the world are you disconcerted? There is nothing surprising about the adulation at all, it's been this way for literally decades. Were all these people who are "shook" and "jarred" in a coma?

"Why in the world are you disconcerted?"

Because it is gross to worship a useless, elitist parasite like the Queen.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by ncmncm »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #453
ncmncm wrote: post #359

There are reasons Brits are "subjects", not "citizens". And why America declared No Truce with Kings. And why US presidents are not allowed to bow to kings. (Well, weren't until W did.)

Source? I thought it was Obama who bowed to kings.

https://www.heraldnet.com/opinion/bush-also-bowed-to-saudi-k...

People made a lot more fuss about Obama because, you know, "Barack Hussein Obama", etc. Trump was seen doing it too.

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Post by kybernetikos »

IncRnd wrote: post #291
User23 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not how money works in the UK. The taxpayer isn’t funding the monarchy or anything else. If anything the Crown is funding the taxpayer via the Bank of England. Edit: evidently people are confused. Here it is from the horse’s mouth: https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/quarterly-bulletin/2014/q1/m...

Except the Royals themselves say something else. You linked to a webpage about how money gets created which isn't germane to the provenance of the already existing money that is owned by the royal family. Take a look at "the official web site of the British Royal Family. Written and managed by the Royal Household at Buckingham Palace, the site aims to provide an authoritative resource of information about the Monarch…

The sovereign grant is 15% of the income from the Crown estates. Depending on who you think owns / should own the Crown estates (it was once the monarchs personal property) this is potentially a big subsidy to the tax payer from the monarch.

Ultimately the origins of most property is tied up in violence, not just that of the royal family.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by HyperSane »

culi wrote: post #349
afarrell wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Did you forget what you fought about in 1776? Not having our views represented in parliament whilst having our taxes decreased to bail out the British East India Company.

It's always funny to see how many Americans truly believe in this founding myth. The American revolution was supported by around 30% of the colonists by the time it started. And that was only after the media-owning elites spent years churning out non-stop pieces trying to promote the perspective. Of course the taxes primarily affected those wealthy elites and they knew a revolution would significantly benefit them Do…

No one with any self-respect can tolerate being ruled by a hereditary monarchy whose justification for being in power is "I'm inherently better than you, and all my descendants will always be better than yours forever"
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