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Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by avereveard »

drtz wrote: post #228
avereveard wrote: post #166

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Your body produces palmitic acid on its own, 30% of your fat is palmitic acid yourself produced. Reducing consumption of palmitic acid mostly reduces your quality of life, a balanced diet with a good biscuit and noeccessive calories does much more than eating dry, sandy biscuits and excess on sugar later on.

High-palmitic acid diets and dry, high-sugar diets are hardly the only two options.

Yeah but I bet people that are sold on palm oil is evil are on low fat diet. And that the calories from fat they don't consume come from carbohydrates, not proteins.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

cududa wrote: post #233
moomoo11 wrote: post #101

Is this really surprising? Any time I had used cannabis I felt like my IQ dropped 20-30 points and I would lose hours of my day where it was difficult for me to learn. It made doing household chores not terrible, but brought out a lot of panic inducing moments and erratic behavior. I was thinking about a 100k other things while doing one thing. Later on I realized I wasn't even doing that one thing so well. Anything…

31 year old adult that smoked weed daily from like 16 on until about 28. Always thought I was "treating my anxiety" with weed. Nope, it absolutely was just making it worse. I quit for a few months and the anxiety got worse. Dad then died of a congenital heart condition. Symptoms of the heart condition mimic anxiety. Took 9 years of doctors telling me "it was a fluke" my dad died of it/ that there's no way I had that…

You say the weed was "making it worse" but then talk about how 80% of your constantly-increasing anxiety was caused by the heart problem?

I don't really understand your explanation. In what way was the weed making things worse?

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Post by jokethrowaway »

Good to see more research on cannabis but I find studies by association to be incredibly easy to push in one direction or another.

I'd be more inclined to believe that parents who smoke cannabis during pregnancy are more likely to be bad parents or live in a bad environment, which result into issues with their kids 15 years later.

Or maybe they keep smoking around their kids over their lifespan and that prolonged exposure is causing problems in the adolescence.

I find it hard to believe cannabis crossing the placenta would be causing issues 15 years after exposure and not affecting the children before.

Plenty of young kids are diagnosed (even overdiagnosed if we want to talk about the subject) with behavioural issues. Why is this study not finding any evidence of that?

That would be way stronger evidence.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

sbaiddn wrote: post #223
tedivm wrote: post #35

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If that's what you think my response says then you didn't read it at all. I literally said that I would tell people "we just don't know, and so it should be avoided". Not "we don't know". I said "We don't know, so avoid it". That's a very different statement than what you're quoting- literally the exact opposite of your "it's not safe" quote.

Inhaling any burnt organic matter is known to be bad for peoples health. Theres a mechanistic explanation for it too: smoking causes incomplete combustion of organic matter creating a soup of volatile organics and slew of carbon particulates, many with activated surfaces. CO, formaldehyde, CN, etc. even CO2 which is toxic at high concentrations (its not merely an asphyxiant like it is for a fire). Smoke is bad. Full…

> So the answer should have been: "we don't know the effects specifically of pot on pregnancy, but we know smoking is bad while pregnant. So, while we don't know about pot-cookies, joints are bad."

No it should not have been. You removed all warning outside of smoking, and that's reckless.

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Post by heavyset_go »

rendang wrote: post #199
heavyset_go wrote: post #112

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Palm oils in particular are not very healthy and are suspected to be a leading cause of diet-induced heart disease. Not all fats are created equally, or in equal proportions. Palm oils are high in specific saturated fats that are linked to cardiovascular disease. Palm oils are some of the most common fats found in prepared foods, especially foods that need solid fats at room temperatures. The majority of peanut butte…

I don't know where you're getting that idea about peanut butter and palm oil, it isn't true of the major US peanut butter brands https://www.peanutbutter.com/peanut-butter/creamy https://www.jif.com/peanut-butter/creamy/creamy-peanut-butte...

Plenty of Skippy's products have palm oil in them instead of peanut oil, and when I've looked, the "creamy" varieties of peanut butter tend to use palm oil for texture and stability. Store brands do the same thing in my experience.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

tartoran wrote: post #214
adamrezich wrote: post #28

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I asked a then-pregnant still-weed-smoking coworker of my fiancée about this, she said "it isn't that bad for the baby, at least compared to alcohol or meth", and another coworker (female, roughly same age) agreed that "meth and booze are really bad for pregnant women, but weed not so much". from the sound of things (this was on a car trip to a nearby Native American reservation where the then-pregnant girl's parents…

At least they’re not okay with meth and alcohol while pregnant… Or they never consume meth and use the ruse to normalize weed consumption. I my books nothing is worth risking for the baby’s health

> I my books nothing is worth risking for the baby’s health

That's a bad book.

Everything has risk. If you think you're not risking, you're deluding yourself. Trying to avoid "unnecessary" risks is only marginally better. You need to know how big the risks actually are, or your biases will mislead you.

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Post by heavyset_go »

q7xvh97o2pDhNrh wrote: post #204
heavyset_go wrote: post #142

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A few years ago, I did some reading on PubMed to figure out what fats are best to cook with. Came to the conclusion that extra virgin olive oil, which papers use the acronym "EVOO" for, is best for frying, whether that's pan or deep frying, and cooking in general. It's high in monounsaturated fats and studies found that various compounds in EVOO prevent the formation of free radicals, volatile organic compounds, alde…

Very interesting point. Do you have any of your preferred research papers handy? I went searching just now out of curiosity and did find this one [1] which indeed affirms what you're saying. Personally, I reach for ghee when I want a neutral oil (e.g., for cooking scrambled eggs). And, like you, I reach for some fancy EVOO for everything else. I have to confess my approach to get here was a lot less scientific though…

I actually have them saved in my personal wiki, when I'm on my home network I'll bring it up and post the citations I've collected here.

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Post by vineyardmike »

acomjean wrote: post #257
itsoktocry wrote: post #15

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> However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Or even worse, "it's nothing but beneficial!". And yes, I'm a semi-regular "user"

I think some of the confusion stems from the fact the “medicinal” happened in some places before “recreational” happened. At least that’s how it played out in Massachusetts. It required a prescription, so doctors were saying to take it, so it gives it more of a vener of safety. Plus it’s not like it wasn’t readily available for people to try before.

> I think some of the confusion stems from the fact the “medicinal” happened in some places before “recreational” happened. At least that’s how it played out in Massachusetts.

People are actively marketing it as a pseudo-medical treatment (like OTC drugs, or vitamins), beyond the medicinal designation. I searched for a random dispensary in Watertown MA, and clicked the first edible on their site [1]. The description of the item is below…

> Go plant-based pills use an optimal blend of plant medicines, caffeine, and cannabis to create an all-natural performance enhancer for your brain and body. Go’s key ingredients increase blood flow to the brain and body in order to boost mental and physical energy and stamina.

This is not at all uncommon to find at various dispensaries and products. Even for products that don’t have additives (as the above one appears to). If you google “cannabis cure cancer” or “cannabis cure X” you;lol find countless thought pieces about how theres new evidence from one random trial that may blow open the door to curing whatever with cannabis. It’s got a very eastern-medicine meets wives-tales meets snake oil vibe.

[1] https://watertown-adult.ethoscannabis.com/stores/Ethos-Water...

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Post by gilded-lilly »

One of my pet peeves is the oft repeated slogan “it’s not addictive”. And by definition, that’s true. But neither is Methamphetamine. But people still throw it around like it’s some kind of scientific blessing that you can’t form a dependency.

Also, I think the true cost of marijuana is the opportunity cost - it’s not just what it does to you, it’s what it takes from you - your motivation, potential etc. And it’s really quite toxic to your long term mental health, in devilishly insidious ways - and is usually accompanied by aggressively-defended self deceptions.

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Post by vineyardmike »

nwienert wrote: post #230
googlryas wrote: post #219

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I know that's what you got, and I'm wondering where you got it from. How does my wife buying me a beer increase the risks for birth defects for the fetus she carries?

Damn, thought I laid it out quite nicely in short form. It's a good thing in general to have a society that cares about whether a pregnant women is putting their baby at risk - and you simply can't have that without false positives. For every false positive making it a touch more awkward to purchase beer (the smallest price I can think of to pay) you get a ton of great things like general empathy. The society that ca…

> you get a ton of great things like general empathy.

As an outsider, nothing about this thread gave any indication of real empathy.

Ps. That’s not what OKB is…

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