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Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by hunter-gatherer »

darth_avocado wrote: post #12

I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

This. I have been having these conversations with my peers for over a decade. For aong time the narrative from my cannabis-using peers basically fell into the narrative that it wasn't bad at all for physical of mental health. I always took a more nuanced view, and point out that little research had been done during the illegal years. I always had a feeling that there was a cat to come out of a bag, and cannabis users have fought me tooth and nail on that point.

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Post by Maursault »

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> Babies are not fetuses false > Just as no one has a right to tell you what you can do with your body parents have this authority over children and the states have police power to tell people exactly what they may or may not do with their bodies >neither you nor society has any right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body nope > 4th Amendment guarantees the right of the people to be secure in their…

> I would gladly trade all Republican political prospects for criminalizing abortions

We already know the results of that bone-headed idea. Criminalizing abortion does nothing to stop abortion, it only denies women the ability to have a safe abortion. Criminalizing abortion only serves to maim and kill teenage girls. Which is the lesser of two evils, the loss of an unknown potential, or the loss of a known viable individual? I am sure you've heard before the famous wisdom of George Santayana:

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

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Post by sbaiddn »

tedivm wrote: post #35
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If that's what you think my response says then you didn't read it at all. I literally said that I would tell people "we just don't know, and so it should be avoided". Not "we don't know". I said "We don't know, so avoid it". That's a very different statement than what you're quoting- literally the exact opposite of your "it's not safe" quote.

Inhaling any burnt organic matter is known to be bad for peoples health. Theres a mechanistic explanation for it too: smoking causes incomplete combustion of organic matter creating a soup of volatile organics and slew of carbon particulates, many with activated surfaces. CO, formaldehyde, CN, etc. even CO2 which is toxic at high concentrations (its not merely an asphyxiant like it is for a fire).

Smoke is bad. Full stop. exposure to smoke, cigarettes, diesel fumes, interstate, etc while pregnant is harmful to the baby. This has been known for decades.

So the answer should have been: "we don't know the effects specifically of pot on pregnancy, but we know smoking is bad while pregnant. So, while we don't know about pot-cookies, joints are bad."

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Post by yucky »

whateveracct wrote: post #193
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It’s still a DUI if you drive on it. The week after it was legalized in my state, a person managed to put their car through the second story of a home. The toxicology report showed the only thing in their system was cannabis.

Driving high and drunk are idiotic to equate. Not saying you can't be impaired high, but people can also drive after a joint better than anyone after equivalent alcohol intoxication. This smells like teetotaling more than evidence-based discourse.

This is an interesting claim, or I'm reading it wrong. Wouldn't "equivalent intoxication" mean the driver in both cases equally shouldn't be behind the wheel?

Somewhat related, but I'm still curious how they test marijuana intoxication level in drivers. Is there an equivalent BAC-type test, especially considering how long weed stays in the system?

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triyambakam wrote: post #191
michaelwww wrote: post #11

I read this right after I got back from the marijuana store where a pregnant woman was buying weed. It made me uncomfortable. It just seems risky to me to take intoxicants while the babies brain is forming.

Well, here's some anecdata: it kept my wife from dying from hyperemesis gravidarum (non-stop vomiting during pregnancy to the point of rupturing eye vessels, vomiting blood, dehydration, ketosis etc.) The other medications the hospital offered didn't work, and even those came with their own fetal risks. So it was either abort the baby, try cannabis, or probably die. Our child is now older and performs well cognitivel…

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Post by drtz »

avereveard wrote: post #166
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Palm oils in particular are not very healthy and are suspected to be a leading cause of diet-induced heart disease. Not all fats are created equally, or in equal proportions. Palm oils are high in specific saturated fats that are linked to cardiovascular disease. Palm oils are some of the most common fats found in prepared foods, especially foods that need solid fats at room temperatures. The majority of peanut butte…

Your body produces palmitic acid on its own, 30% of your fat is palmitic acid yourself produced. Reducing consumption of palmitic acid mostly reduces your quality of life, a balanced diet with a good biscuit and noeccessive calories does much more than eating dry, sandy biscuits and excess on sugar later on.

High-palmitic acid diets and dry, high-sugar diets are hardly the only two options.

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Post by nwienert »

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I know that's what you got, and I'm wondering where you got it from. How does my wife buying me a beer increase the risks for birth defects for the fetus she carries?

Damn, thought I laid it out quite nicely in short form.

It's a good thing in general to have a society that cares about whether a pregnant women is putting their baby at risk - and you simply can't have that without false positives. For every false positive making it a touch more awkward to purchase beer (the smallest price I can think of to pay) you get a ton of great things like general empathy. The society that cares that much probably also grabs a dead roach out of a strangers baby's hands right before it eats it unbeknownst to their parents, for example.

Your comment comes off as: How dare people care about an unborn baby having an entire life of misery if it ever-so-slightly infringes on my right to have a slight buzz for an afternoon.

Not saying you are one, but this is a great example of what my generation will pull "Ok boomer" out for: the general attitude of "Don't make my fun time ever-so-slightly more inconvenient just to preserve [society|the environment|anything that will last beyond their death]".

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