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Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by Nasrudith »

hindsightbias wrote: post #459
staticassertion wrote: post #340

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Did you just notice you're in a monarchy? Have you never seen parliament open? You missed prorogation with the silly Black Rod nonsense? I'm not sure how you can characterize this as some creeky system that's just showing its face now lol it's built into so much of your government, multiple times a year, including one extremely high profile case (the prorogation) only a few months ago. Honestly, be grateful. I watch…

My Jr High history teacher in TX was apparently a royalist, said the revolutionaries were just a bunch of whiners. The older I get, the more I agree.

I joke that the way you respect monarchist or other authoritarian opinions is to completely ignore them. It is after all what they want.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by chrisseaton »

haltingproblem wrote: post #419
noahtallen wrote: post #380

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I don’t know much about UK law, but it is at least is constitutional monarchy. So the ruler and rituals of succession exist under the purview of the people and parliament. Surely there is just not enough political will to change it. That’s very different from your implication that it’s some kind of authoritarian hellscape. Rewording: this “keeps happening” because it’s written into the constitution of the UK. If it d…

There is no constitution. How can it be a constitutional monarchy? Before anyone points out that it is an unwritten constitution, please exchange my invisible benjies for some gold.

Why do you think a constitution has to be written?

Why extra power do you think something gets from being written down?

North Korea has a written constitution. Does does that make it better in practice than the UK’s?

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by bogomipz »

midoridensha wrote: post #325
ck425 wrote: post #199

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I live in Edinburgh. Can confirm major disruption and likely costs based on the sheer number of police and event staff I've seen just walking through town.

>Can confirm major disruption and likely costs based on the sheer number of police and event staff I've seen just walking through town. To be fair, when you consider that the Queen lived for 96 years and there hasn't been an event like this since 1953, the cost spread out over that much time really isn't that much. Long live the King!! (to keep costs down)

>"To be fair, when you consider that the Queen lived for 96 years and there hasn't been an event like this since 1953"

Did you miss the whole Platinum Jubilee celebration two months ago for the Queen? [1] The scope of that was also over the top and costs 10's of millions of pounds. There was also the Saphire Jubilee 5 years ago, the Diamond Jubilee in 2012, the Golden Jubilee in 2002, there's at least a few others as well.

What are the Crown Estate assets worth? How many billions? And the public are not only expected to foot the bill for this over the top pageantry but they are supposed to do so with unwavering fealty? And at a time when the average person is worried about skyrocketing inflation and energy costs?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum_Jubilee_of_Elizabeth_...

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by mytailorisrich »

account-5 wrote: post #78
mytailorisrich wrote: post #55

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In Oxford someone was arrested for shouting " who elected him " during the proclamation of the new king so it's not just about respecting a funeral (which is understable) or unacceptable language. But in fairness to the police there seems to be a mass fervour at the moment and they may actually be doing the hecklers a service by taking them away for their own safety...

And then de-arrested.

Why do you arrest someone just to de-arrest them minutes later once there are away? I think this rather proves the point that the police knew that person was not actually committing an offence but wanted to take them away.

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Post by HyperSane »

brutusborn wrote: post #339
austinjp wrote: post #327

The UK media (not just the BBC) continue to profess "amazement" at the speed and efficiency of the transitioning from a dead monarch to a living one. There's been much speaking in awed tones at the pace of the various proclamations, committee meetings, document signings, etc, as if this pace tells us why we should be impressed. Personally I've found it borderline sickening. If there was a curtain that could have slip…

What is sickening about a smooth transition of power? The main thing you seem to criticise is the ritual itself, which to me seems pretty normal, albeit grandiose.

It is sickening when the transition is from one unelected, parasitic, hereditary monarch to her child.

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Post by bundze »

xani_ wrote: post #371
stjohnswarts wrote: post #345

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I don't get this, it's not like the king of england has any real power. I know it's a waste of tax money but the US governments wastes tax money all day long too, as do all governments on pork projects and subsidies.

The whole monarch clowfest does bring tourism in so it might be not complete waste of tax money

France has abolished monarchy yet people still come to visit Versailles.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by ralfd »

austinjp wrote: post #327

The UK media (not just the BBC) continue to profess "amazement" at the speed and efficiency of the transitioning from a dead monarch to a living one. There's been much speaking in awed tones at the pace of the various proclamations, committee meetings, document signings, etc, as if this pace tells us why we should be impressed. Personally I've found it borderline sickening. If there was a curtain that could have slip…

> people wearing ritualistic outfits have marched into public spaces in several cities, and declared that a member of the elite has been replaced, the continuum is unbroken.

You speak like that hundred years long continuum is not a major accomplishment in state craft. This is remarkable stability and resistance against a popular Tribune of the plebs. Remember that the last US President was asked “Will you really really peacefully transition power?”

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Post by munk-a »

defen wrote: post #229
munk-a wrote: post #116

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I don't - my father's funeral is literally two weeks away. Some relatives that my mother doesn't get along with at all aren't invited - they've never been particularly close and it'll be healthier for everyone if they don't stir shit in a time of healing. This isn't a case of protestors being repeatedly ignored - the public discussion about the monarchy is unfolding in most media outlets right now and other forms of…

Sorry about your father. I don't like using personal examples since emotions can be strong, especially at a time like this. If they were to show up and stand peacefully with a sign, I don't think that should be illegal. But if they did that it would certainly show the rest of the family what kinds of people they are.

I mean - whenever we're talking about funerals it's an extremely personal event for some. Just because you can't see the person - or it's a person of privilege - doesn't mean it doesn't hit just as hard.

Additionally, while I think this is extremely unhealthy mentally, there was a not insignificant proportion of Britain that felt they had a personal relationship with the queen even if they never met her for tea.

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Post by grecy »

austinjp wrote: post #327

The UK media (not just the BBC) continue to profess "amazement" at the speed and efficiency of the transitioning from a dead monarch to a living one. There's been much speaking in awed tones at the pace of the various proclamations, committee meetings, document signings, etc, as if this pace tells us why we should be impressed. Personally I've found it borderline sickening. If there was a curtain that could have slip…

> people wearing ritualistic outfits have marched into public spaces

The one and only time I visited London I just happened to wander by Buckingham Palace on the opening day of Parliament, so all the royals were coming out.

The part that floored me was all the pop and show of the uniforms, bayonets and those massive black fluffy hat things with the chin strap.

I've never been to the UK or Russia before, but I felt 100% like I was watching a Russian show of pop and flair, not a British one.

It dawned on me then that in many ways, they're indistinguishable.

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Post by illiac786 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #472
haltingproblem wrote: post #419

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There is no constitution. How can it be a constitutional monarchy? Before anyone points out that it is an unwritten constitution, please exchange my invisible benjies for some gold.

Why do you think a constitution has to be written? Why extra power do you think something gets from being written down? North Korea has a written constitution. Does does that make it better in practice than the UK’s?

If it’s not written down, anyone can interpret it any way he likes and debate this for the next centuries.

To avoid this kind of problem, it is a good idea to have representatives of the people write it down. And yes, it will never be perfect, and it will get outdated over time, etc. etc.

Still better than millions of different mental interpretations.

Also does not change the fact that the people can request a change in the constitution, for example via protests.

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