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Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by mertd »

sammalloy wrote: post #163
darth_avocado wrote: post #12

I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

> In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cigarettes, fat and sugar You should look closer at the risks of caffeine. Someone was in the news dying from an accidental ingestion of a large dose just a few days ago. And there’s been some evidence for a while now that high doses of caffeine in energy drinks can lead to delusional behavior.

You can die from drinking too much water. Dosage makes the poison as the sibling comment said.

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Post by fsociety »

nico wrote: post #94
scythe wrote: post #41

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The primary positive effect of cannabis in the general population is probably that it tends to interfere with alcohol consumption, due to excessive sedation. This probably explains the lack of negative population-level effects of cannabis legalization. The most concerning effect of cannabis is its tendency to increase heart rate. Quite a bit of research is available on the effects of cannabis use — the problem is tha…

Recently attended a lecture on Cannabis by a renowned researcher on the subject (the Director of the UCLA Center for Cannabis & Cannabinoids) The most adverse (proven) effects of Cannabis are: * Frequent bronchitis (for people that smoke it) * Risk of vehicle crashes * Low pregnancy weight, preterm birth, NICU * Mental health (associated risk of schizophrenia, depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, Cannabis use diso…

I am skeptical about this researcher as it does not mention decreased gut motility and CHS in rare instances.

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Post by googlryas »

nwienert wrote: post #230
googlryas wrote: post #219

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I know that's what you got, and I'm wondering where you got it from. How does my wife buying me a beer increase the risks for birth defects for the fetus she carries?

Damn, thought I laid it out quite nicely in short form. It's a good thing in general to have a society that cares about whether a pregnant women is putting their baby at risk - and you simply can't have that without false positives. For every false positive making it a touch more awkward to purchase beer (the smallest price I can think of to pay) you get a ton of great things like general empathy. The society that ca…

I understood exactly what you were saying, but felt no compunction to respond to your implied point because, basically, I thought you were being a dick.

And now I know why. Because you read my comment as uncharitably as possible, and because of that, now I'm a bad person in your eyes who needs to be shamed or scorned. I'm honestly surprised you didn't accuse me of beating my wife in a rage when she doesn't return with the single 12 oz can of of 4.5% beer that I requested.

And thanks for the lesson on gen-z slang. Out of curiosity, what are kids calling self-serious blowhards these days?

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Post by zdragnar »

taberiand wrote: post #117
itsoktocry wrote: post #15

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> However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Or even worse, "it's nothing but beneficial!". And yes, I'm a semi-regular "user"

But surely no one has been saying that cannabis isn't a risk for pregnant women, let alone that it could be beneficial to smoke it, right?

Plenty of people are, in fact, saying just that. In fact, I was told not too long ago that it kills cancer cells. Oddly enough, the guy who told me that just went in for a biopsy of a growth on his vocal chords...

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Post by mountainriver »

newsclues wrote: post #220
moomoo11 wrote: post #101

Is this really surprising? Any time I had used cannabis I felt like my IQ dropped 20-30 points and I would lose hours of my day where it was difficult for me to learn. It made doing household chores not terrible, but brought out a lot of panic inducing moments and erratic behavior. I was thinking about a 100k other things while doing one thing. Later on I realized I wasn't even doing that one thing so well. Anything…

Lots of productive people use cannabis. But would lots of highly intelligent people avoid drugs during pregnancy thus skewing the sample of who has kids while using drugs?

Ooof hadn’t thought of that, entirely possible

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Post by robocat »

NateEag wrote: post #239
ok_dad wrote: post #114

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Sure, I was fishing. I guess I should have just outright said "Your individual experiences with individuals in a group are invalid when discussing things that can be empirically studied, such as the effects of using cannabis on various groups," and went on with my day. By the way, labeling an undesirable group with "mental issues" has been done many times in the past, sometimes even with "good" intentions.

Individual experiences aren't invalid. A well-designed study may be more revealing, but the individual experiences are legitimate and should not be discarded solely because studies are possible.

Yeah.

A strong enough signal will show in a sample of one.

With a correct model, cause and effect can be predicted without any samples (scientific progress often occurs this way).

And some people’s intuitions are remarkably astute. Albeit there are a lot of people who have incorrect intuitions and don’t know it.

A cannabis example would be strong paranoia after one sesh. More ingrained paranoia (qanon?) that I have seen linked to regular heavy usage doesn’t feel to me to be a stretch of the imagination.

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Post by Bakary »

sammalloy wrote: post #151
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #55

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I need alcohol to be sociable.

> I need alcohol to be sociable I always laugh when I see this. Alcohol turns me into an introvert.

We assume that the loss of inhibition will automatically make people more likely to interact. But what if a person would like to interact less in the moment, but feels compelled to do so via social rules? In this case, being less inhibited would make them less sociable, not more.

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Post by _-david-_ »

Maursault wrote: post #111
tristor wrote: post #67

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> I really think all men should withhold all judgement of women, pregnant or not. No. The right to an opinion and to express it is not contingent on ones gender or gender expression. It is perfectly reasonable for people to make observations, conduct scientific research, form opinions, and discuss those opinions even if the outcome of such doesn't personally affect them. And, in point of fact, it's /strictly necessar…

It isn't people you're talking about, it is only men. The issue is only men are giving their opinion, which they feel very strongly about, and it is a circumstance they, biologically speaking, can never experience. So please take the advice of another man: whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent . A woman's right to do as she pleases with her body is as absolute as a man's right to do as he pleases with…

Should men not tell women not to drink alcohol while pregnant? Men can't understand what it is like to be pregnant. What right does a man have to control a women's body?
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