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Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by hahaxdxd123 »

noncoml wrote: post #177

“Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government” And no, I don’t mean it as a joke If Britain wants to survive the next 100 years, they need to make some brave decisions. Dissolve monarchy and the class system, get back into EU, and hope Scotland will not declare independence. Also, USA, wtf, why are you flying the flag at half staff? Did you forget what you fought about in 17…

> Also, USA, wtf, why are you flying the flag at half staff? Did you forget what you fought about in 1776?

Because one half of the Special Relationship had their head of state die? If the Canadian PM were assassinated, would you be up in arms over a half-mast due to the War of 1812?

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Post by Gatsky »

When some people were posting “fuck the queen” comments on the original “regina mortua est” HN megathread I thought that was pretty poor form. But I don’t have an issue with protestors. It’s a form of public accountability, which should generally be encouraged. It is quite unpalatable mind you, but then so are monarchies.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by encryptluks2 »

peteri wrote: post #153
dijit wrote: post #9

They aren’t being arrested for being anti-monarchy though. They are being arrested for being rude about it. Was the fella on radio 4 who stated to the entire nation that ‘King Charles and his family should be put in a council house and that the Monarchy should be abolished’ arrested? No. If you are going to attend a funeral, any funeral, be it the Queen’s or anyone else’s and hurl abuse or hold up signs with obscenit…

They are being arrested typically for behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace. Often they're being arrested for their own safety, you only have to look at the example of the chip shop owner in Muir of Ord, who posted a video online and now her chippy has a smashed window. Do you leave the person with the offensive sign there? I can easily see some "have a go hero" deciding to tear the sign to bits and causing…

Arrested for ones own protection makes no sense. That would not be protection then it would be an escape plan. If someone is putting you into handcuffs to protect you they are lying. Any victim of abuse knows the signs of gaslighting.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by jakelazaroff »

bawolff wrote: post #58
jakelazaroff wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Freedom of speech does not mean you are free to say anything you want wherever you want. I can't just walk into the Oval Office and start hurling obscenities at the President, and attempting to do so is likely to get me shot by the Secret Service. For trespassing. This example has nothing to do with speech.

It has the same amount as the thing this article is about, which makes it a good comparison (the article also has nothing to do with the content of the speech)

The article definitely has to do with the content of the speech:

> Similar reports emerged Monday, including one case involving a man who was seen being forcibly removed from a parade barrier after shouting at the royal procession leading to the cathedral. He was reportedly heckling Prince Andrew.

This comparison just has nothing to do with speech at all. It’s categorically different. You’d get arrested for breaking into the Oval Office even if you remained silent the whole time.

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Post by ivanbakel »

User23 wrote: post #202
matthewh806 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say both; you can oppose the procession itself for all of its pomp and archaic tradition at a time where the country is dealing with a cost of living crisis and also have that also be more broadly a protest against the monarchy in general. A large portion of the life of the royal family is public, even funded by the taxpayer, so to me it makes sense to allow for opposing viewpoints to be heard. Perhaps you ca…

That’s not how money works in the UK. The taxpayer isn’t funding the monarchy or anything else. If anything the Crown is funding the taxpayer via the Bank of England. Edit: evidently people are confused. Here it is from the horse’s mouth: https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/quarterly-bulletin/2014/q1/m...

In the sense that the Crown leases the Crown Estate to Parliament in exchange for a guaranteed income? Sure.

In the sense that that arrangement could be reversed without massive upcry, a constitutional crisis, and the dissolution of the monarchy? Not realistically. The government has de facto control of the Estate, and the monarchy receives a de facto taxpayer-funded income (plus their private ownership through other property.)

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by HideousKojima »

bawolff wrote: post #90
junofan wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not arresting protestors is probably a good thing to emulate regardless of your feelings about the US.

as another example, US lets you bring guns to protests, i am 100% on board with how my government (canada) arrests any idiots who show up with a firearm to a protest. I generally like the right to protest, but i dont want 100% free for all.

When you have counterprotestors/rioters throwing bricks/molotovs/etc. with the tacit consent of the local government, going to a protest armed can be the only way to safely exercise your constitutional right to protest.

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Post by encryptluks2 »

noncoml wrote: post #177

“Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government” And no, I don’t mean it as a joke If Britain wants to survive the next 100 years, they need to make some brave decisions. Dissolve monarchy and the class system, get back into EU, and hope Scotland will not declare independence. Also, USA, wtf, why are you flying the flag at half staff? Did you forget what you fought about in 17…

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Post by klipklop »

matthewh806 wrote: post #109
dijit wrote: post #9

They aren’t being arrested for being anti-monarchy though. They are being arrested for being rude about it. Was the fella on radio 4 who stated to the entire nation that ‘King Charles and his family should be put in a council house and that the Monarchy should be abolished’ arrested? No. If you are going to attend a funeral, any funeral, be it the Queen’s or anyone else’s and hurl abuse or hold up signs with obscenit…

I see this exact same comment did pretty well on Reddit too: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/xckw5v/comme... 1. Not all of the arrests have been made at a "funeral" 2. It wasn't a funeral 3. If you're going to have a very public precession, parading a body through the streets with all the obedients lapping it up, surely you have to have a level of tolerance for dissenting voices? I imagine the disrupt…

Creepy that this is copypasta'ed in multiple places and is a highly upvoted comment...

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Post by [deleted] »

ISL wrote: post #22
dijit wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will be arrested for hurling obscenities at mourners regardless of who the dead person is. People were arrested at Margaret Thatchers funeral for the same thing. It’s not rocket science. You’re not allowed to do that.

In the United States, with certain limits [1], one can picket funerals and be massively disrespectful. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church#Laws_l...

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Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by bawolff »

deskamess wrote: post #124
bawolff wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? the US is a weird, barely functioning, democracy. Why would anyone want to emulate it?

What makes it weird? Why is it barely functioning?

Well to start, right now there is 24/7 news coverage about how an ex-president took state documents with him on his way out. Seperation of office from officeholder is a pretty key part of a functioning democracy (hell even the british monarchy can do that one).

Or how about how everyone knows the political affiliations of supreme court judges? In a normal country judges are apolitical.

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