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Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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In Oxford someone was arrested for shouting " who elected him " during the proclamation of the new king so it's not just about respecting a funeral (which is understable) or unacceptable language. But in fairness to the police there seems to be a mass fervour at the moment and they may actually be doing the hecklers a service by taking them away for their own safety...

And then de-arrested.

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In Oxford someone was arrested for shouting " who elected him " during the proclamation of the new king so it's not just about respecting a funeral (which is understable) or unacceptable language. But in fairness to the police there seems to be a mass fervour at the moment and they may actually be doing the hecklers a service by taking them away for their own safety...

This is the point. 'Fear or provocation of violence' is an offence since it precipitates violence, its a provocation that 'might cause a reasonable individual to lose self control', which would be quite dreadful!

How does a reasonable, sober person lose self-control over some random dude shouting at a celebrity?

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I don't think that it is. The rich and powerful are still real people with real grief. I'm not opposed to people protesting parliment or whatever, but let the mourners mourn in peace.

I think you missed his point. The public paid for this funeral, and therefor they have every right to participate in it. They should show some respect, it is a funeral after all. If they wanted a "private funeral" they should pay for one.

> The public paid for this funeral, and therefor they have every right to participate in it.

Since when? This seems like a misunderstanding of how taxes work. Taxes pay for a lot of things which taxpayers have no right, or even access to.

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I've been a bit disconcerted at the level of unmitigated adulation that's been showered on the late queen by the media. I have nothing bad to say about Elizabeth II but I too do my job every day -- without a staff of hundreds to prepare my breakfast -- and I don't think I will be sanctified the day I keel over. It's all so serious and deeply conservative you'd think we are back in the 1950. In the 1970s Monty Python were allowed to laugh at anything on national television, I suspect that would not be possible today.

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“Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government” And no, I don’t mean it as a joke If Britain wants to survive the next 100 years, they need to make some brave decisions. Dissolve monarchy and the class system, get back into EU, and hope Scotland will not declare independence. Also, USA, wtf, why are you flying the flag at half staff? Did you forget what you fought about in 17…

> Did you forget what you fought about in 1776?

Not having our views represented in parliament whilst having our taxes decreased to bail out the British East India Company.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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> They aren’t being arrested for being anti-monarchy though. > They are being arrested for being rude about it. Got it. Arrested for poor taste. Hard to see the justification for that in a democracy?

It's not being arrested for poor taste. They're being arrested for their actions, not their beliefs. Is there some democracy somewhere which doesn't have a public nuisance/breaching the peace style law?

> They're being arrested for their actions, not their beliefs

Expressing your belief is an action. Speaking, writing, etc. are all actions. Belief without action doesn't exist

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> The new law allows police to act in cases which they deem to be "unjustifiably noisy protests that may have a significant impact on others" or seriously disrupt an organization's activities. Doesn't take a political science degree to see what's wrong with this law. When cops get to decide what is a justifiably loud protest and what isn't you no longer have the right to protest. Protests are meant to disrupt, if you…

Protests are not meant to disrupt. They are meant to convince your fellow citizens of your position. Being a disruptive $#@t, not only defeats that purpose, it actually causes more people to vote against you. Moreover, emotionally driven teenagers (or stunted "adults") use these protests as a pubescent venting mechanism to smash business and mistreat adults they encounter, like some narcissistic violent therapy sessi…

Please read Letter from Birmingham Jail.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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You will be arrested for hurling obscenities at mourners regardless of who the dead person is. People were arrested at Margaret Thatchers funeral for the same thing. It’s not rocket science. You’re not allowed to do that.

Once again, Americans are proud of the fact they can protest at funerals.

Protesting a public funeral procession for a public figure down closed-off public roads makes that more defensible, from my Australian perspective. Otherwise you have a bizarre situation where you can hold a 100-mile-long walking-speed parade for whatever cause you support, provided you can find a suitable dead person and convince the police to block off the roads, and all your opponents have to shut their mouths and put up with it.

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They aren’t being arrested for being anti-monarchy though. They are being arrested for being rude about it. Was the fella on radio 4 who stated to the entire nation that ‘King Charles and his family should be put in a council house and that the Monarchy should be abolished’ arrested? No. If you are going to attend a funeral, any funeral, be it the Queen’s or anyone else’s and hurl abuse or hold up signs with obscenit…

I see this exact same comment did pretty well on Reddit too: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/xckw5v/comme... 1. Not all of the arrests have been made at a "funeral" 2. It wasn't a funeral 3. If you're going to have a very public precession, parading a body through the streets with all the obedients lapping it up, surely you have to have a level of tolerance for dissenting voices? I imagine the disrupt…

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Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Is it your view that just because the state pays for something the public has every right to do whatever they want with it? This seems obviously false. Try walking into the petagon some time proclaiming "the public paid for this military base and therefor i have every right to participate in it." And see how far that gets you.

You can absolutely protest outside a military base and hurl insults at the soldiers if you believe it is a waste of taxpayer money.

But not at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.
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