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Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by Maursault »

tristor wrote: post #67
Maursault wrote: post #26

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> I really think all men should withhold all judgement of women, pregnant or not. No. The right to an opinion and to express it is not contingent on ones gender or gender expression. It is perfectly reasonable for people to make observations, conduct scientific research, form opinions, and discuss those opinions even if the outcome of such doesn't personally affect them. And, in point of fact, it's /strictly necessar…

It isn't people you're talking about, it is only men. The issue is only men are giving their opinion, which they feel very strongly about, and it is a circumstance they, biologically speaking, can never experience.

So please take the advice of another man: whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. A woman's right to do as she pleases with her body is as absolute as a man's right to do as he pleases with his body.

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Post by heavyset_go »

Bud wrote: post #47
Godel_unicode wrote: post #40

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Fat includes transfat. This back-and-forth does an excellent job of underlining GPs point about those being complex subjects that require study and nuanced explanation.

It's not that complex, actually. The vast majority of fats, all the natural ones, basically, are fine. Healthy, even. The weirdass plastic fats created by injecting hydrogen into vegetable oil are not fine. Done! Was that really so nuanced? No. It was not.

Palm oils in particular are not very healthy and are suspected to be a leading cause of diet-induced heart disease. Not all fats are created equally, or in equal proportions. Palm oils are high in specific saturated fats that are linked to cardiovascular disease.

Palm oils are some of the most common fats found in prepared foods, especially foods that need solid fats at room temperatures. The majority of peanut butter preparations on shelves in the US have had all of their peanut oils removed and then replaced with palm oil for "better" texture and to prevent separation.

More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_oil#Nutrition_and_health

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by sigstoat »

nico wrote: post #94
scythe wrote: post #41

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The primary positive effect of cannabis in the general population is probably that it tends to interfere with alcohol consumption, due to excessive sedation. This probably explains the lack of negative population-level effects of cannabis legalization. The most concerning effect of cannabis is its tendency to increase heart rate. Quite a bit of research is available on the effects of cannabis use — the problem is tha…

Recently attended a lecture on Cannabis by a renowned researcher on the subject (the Director of the UCLA Center for Cannabis & Cannabinoids) The most adverse (proven) effects of Cannabis are: * Frequent bronchitis (for people that smoke it) * Risk of vehicle crashes * Low pregnancy weight, preterm birth, NICU * Mental health (associated risk of schizophrenia, depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, Cannabis use diso…

some haphazardly chosen references from a 2013 bibliography on the subject, compiled by someone who probably doesn't want her name showing up in an internet forum.

Aryana A, Williams MA. Marijuana as trigger of cardiovascular events: speculation or scientific certainty? Int J Cardiol 2007;118:141-4. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ijcard.2006.08.001

Bachs L, Morland H. Acute cardiovascular fatalities following cannabis use. Forensic Sci Int 2001;124:200-3.

Cappelli F, Lazzeri C, Gensini GF, Valente S. Cannabis: a trigger for acute myocardial infarction? A case report. J Cardiovasc Med 2008;9:725-728.

Jones RT. Cardiovascular system effects of marijuana. J Clin Pharmacol 2002; 42(11 Suppl.):58S-63.

Sidney S. Cardiovascular consequences of marijuana use. J Clin Pharmacol 2002;42(11 Suppl.):64S-70S. (Found no association.)

Tormey WP. Royal College of Pathologists’ autopsy guidelines on sudden cardiac death: roles for cannabis, cotinine, NSAIDs and psychology. J Clin Pathol 2012;65:187-188.

so there's a starting place to look into it.

maybe the intervening 9 years have demonstrated that it isn't an issue.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by ok_dad »

robocat wrote: post #108
ok_dad wrote: post #92

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> Anecdotally I know plenty of cannabis users, and many of them have obvious mental issues Do they have actual, diagnosed "mental issues", or are you judging that some of their behavior is out of the norm for your experience and thus it must be a mental issue?

Yes, I have acquaintances and friends with diagnosed mental illnesses that smoke weed. Also the same but don’t smoke. Yes, I have acquaintances and friends with no psychological problems that smoke weed. Also the same but don’t smoke. Yes, I have acquaintances and friends with “undiagnosed” psychological problems that smoke weed. Also the same but don’t smoke. No, I am not a professional psychological specialist. Yes…

Sure, I was fishing. I guess I should have just outright said "Your individual experiences with individuals in a group are invalid when discussing things that can be empirically studied, such as the effects of using cannabis on various groups," and went on with my day.

By the way, labeling an undesirable group with "mental issues" has been done many times in the past, sometimes even with "good" intentions.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by Godel_unicode »

Bud wrote: post #47
Godel_unicode wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fat includes transfat. This back-and-forth does an excellent job of underlining GPs point about those being complex subjects that require study and nuanced explanation.

It's not that complex, actually. The vast majority of fats, all the natural ones, basically, are fine. Healthy, even. The weirdass plastic fats created by injecting hydrogen into vegetable oil are not fine. Done! Was that really so nuanced? No. It was not.

It never fails to amaze me how the benefits of hindsight can cause us to forget how little we used to know or how long it took us to learn. This is the exact type of science that we’re arguing needs to be extended to cannabis.

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Post by hellohowareu »

Maursault wrote: post #26
1-6 wrote: post #4

Why are pregnant women smoking weed to begin with?

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"misogyny"

Uh, no.

Criticism does not equate to hatred.

And the more the word "misogyny" is misused by being thrown around frivolously, the less useful it is as an accurate descriptor.

You do our language and society a disservice by conflating the concepts of hate vs critique.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by taberiand »

itsoktocry wrote: post #15
darth_avocado wrote: post #12

I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

> However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Or even worse, "it's nothing but beneficial!". And yes, I'm a semi-regular "user"

But surely no one has been saying that cannabis isn't a risk for pregnant women, let alone that it could be beneficial to smoke it, right?

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by Godel_unicode »

heavyset_go wrote: post #112
Bud wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that complex, actually. The vast majority of fats, all the natural ones, basically, are fine. Healthy, even. The weirdass plastic fats created by injecting hydrogen into vegetable oil are not fine. Done! Was that really so nuanced? No. It was not.

Palm oils in particular are not very healthy and are suspected to be a leading cause of diet-induced heart disease. Not all fats are created equally, or in equal proportions. Palm oils are high in specific saturated fats that are linked to cardiovascular disease. Palm oils are some of the most common fats found in prepared foods, especially foods that need solid fats at room temperatures. The majority of peanut butte…

What an interesting, and dare I say nuanced, point.

Let’s add to it how good fats can become bad through releasing free radicals, which happens at approximately the same temperature that a lot of animal fats are cooked at.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by [deleted] »

googlryas wrote: post #96
michaelwww wrote: post #11

I read this right after I got back from the marijuana store where a pregnant woman was buying weed. It made me uncomfortable. It just seems risky to me to take intoxicants while the babies brain is forming.

My pregnant wife refuses to buy me beer from the grocery store because of observations from strangers like this.

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Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by Smoosh »

Bud wrote: post #72
feet wrote: post #66

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That's easy. The packages are labeled with nutrient information, don't eat any that contain any amount of trans fats. Also as a side note, hydrogen isn't a noble gas

I know. I edited my comment to correct that. Apologies for the error, hydrogen fans!

I'm a big fan of hydrogen, particularly the collaborative work with oxygen. You could say that it's central to my life.
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