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Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

#121
post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When later answering questions on a security clearance SF-86 application or other background check “have you been arrested in the last seven years?” would be one way in which it could matter.

That is not a question you would be asked. You would be asked if you have ever been convicted of a criminal offense a pardon wasn't granted for.

> Section 22 - Police Record

> For this section report information regardless of whether the record in your case has been sealed, expunged, or otherwise stricken from the court record, or the charge was dismissed. You need not report convictions under the Federal Controlled Substances Act for which the court issued an expungement order under the authority of 21 U.S.C. 844 or 18 U.S.C. 3607. Be sure to include all incidents whether occurring in the U.S. or abroad.

> 22.1 Have any of the following happened? (If 'Yes' you will be asked to provide details for each offense that pertains to the actions that are identified below.)

> - In the last seven (7) years have you been issued a summons, citation, or ticket to appear in court in a criminal proceeding against you? (Do not check if all the citations involved traffic infractions where the fine was less than $300 and did not include alcohol or drugs)

> - In the last seven (7) years have you been arrested by any police officer, sheriff, marshal or any other type of law enforcement official?

> - In the last seven (7) years have you been charged with, convicted of, or sentenced for a crime in any court? (Include all qualifying charges, convictions or sentences in any Federal, state, local, military, or non-U.S. court, even if previously listed on this form).

> - In the last seven (7) years have you been or are you currently on probation or parole?

> - Are you currently on trial or awaiting a trial on criminal charges?

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

#122
post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that it is. The rich and powerful are still real people with real grief. I'm not opposed to people protesting parliment or whatever, but let the mourners mourn in peace.

I think you missed his point. The public paid for this funeral, and therefor they have every right to participate in it. They should show some respect, it is a funeral after all. If they wanted a "private funeral" they should pay for one.

Is it your view that just because the state pays for something the public has every right to do whatever they want with it?

This seems obviously false. Try walking into the petagon some time proclaiming "the public paid for this military base and therefor i have every right to participate in it." And see how far that gets you.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

#123

> The new law allows police to act in cases which they deem to be "unjustifiably noisy protests that may have a significant impact on others" or seriously disrupt an organization's activities. Doesn't take a political science degree to see what's wrong with this law. When cops get to decide what is a justifiably loud protest and what isn't you no longer have the right to protest. Protests are meant to disrupt, if you…

Protests are not meant to disrupt. They are meant to convince your fellow citizens of your position. Being a disruptive $#@t, not only defeats that purpose, it actually causes more people to vote against you. Moreover, emotionally driven teenagers (or stunted "adults") use these protests as a pubescent venting mechanism to smash business and mistreat adults they encounter, like some narcissistic violent therapy sessi…

Looting is illegal

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

#124
post #53
post #22

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In the United States, with certain limits [1], one can picket funerals and be massively disrespectful. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church#Laws_l...

So? the US is a weird, barely functioning, democracy. Why would anyone want to emulate it?

What makes it weird? Why is it barely functioning?

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

#125
post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When later answering questions on a security clearance SF-86 application or other background check “have you been arrested in the last seven years?” would be one way in which it could matter.

That is not a question you would be asked. You would be asked if you have ever been convicted of a criminal offense a pardon wasn't granted for.

See section 22 here: https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf86.pdf

It reads in part:

For this section report information regardless of whether the record in your case has been sealed, expunged, or otherwise stricken from the court record, or the charge was dismissed. You need not report convictions under the Federal Controlled Substances Act for which the court issued an expungement order under the authority of 21 U.S.C. 844 or 18 U.S.C. 3607. Be sure to include all incidents whether occurring in the U.S. or abroad.

22.1 Have any of the following happened? (If 'Yes' you will be asked to provide details for each offense that pertains to the actions that are identified below.)

- In the last seven (7) years have you been issued a summons, citation, or ticket to appear in court in a criminal proceeding against you? (Do not check if all the citations involved traffic infractions where the fine was less than $300 and did not include alcohol or drugs)

- In the last seven (7) years have you been arrested by any police officer, sheriff, marshal or any other type of law enforcement official?

- In the last seven (7) years have you been charged with, convicted of, or sentenced for a crime in any court? (Include all qualifying charges, convictions or sentences in any Federal, state, local, military, or non-U.S. court, even if previously listed on this form).

- In the last seven (7) years have you been or are you currently on probation or parole?

- Are you currently on trial or awaiting a trial on criminal charges?

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

#126
post #9

They aren’t being arrested for being anti-monarchy though. They are being arrested for being rude about it. Was the fella on radio 4 who stated to the entire nation that ‘King Charles and his family should be put in a council house and that the Monarchy should be abolished’ arrested? No. If you are going to attend a funeral, any funeral, be it the Queen’s or anyone else’s and hurl abuse or hold up signs with obscenit…

You should be allowed to have a sign with swearing on it.

If prince Andrew gets to parade around in public give the peasants some leeway as well

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

#127

For all its faults, I love the US. I can go downtown with a sign that says "Not my president", and I may get some cheers, may get some boos. What I won't get is arrested. This is true no matter who is president. Now, if I were saying this about President Harris, say, when she came to visit Biden's body while it was lying in state, that would be deplorable taste. It would be worse if my sign criticized Biden while his…

That's indeed very worrying, considering their stance on "political arrests": Not too long ago: (Anti-war protesters arrested and beaten in Russia) https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-60641749 And i suspect the US will follow the UK in the upcoming midterm election, 2024 is shaping up to be very interesting too Democracy is taking a huge hit in the west

When a govt allows itself to be professionally lobbied, and those lobbiest are well know by political science profs to have "more say in policy decisions than the voters", do you think such a govt can ever be truly democratic?

At what point "democracy: becomes a facade, an empty ritual?

(And sadly, more an more a justification to go at war)

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

#128
post #9

They aren’t being arrested for being anti-monarchy though. They are being arrested for being rude about it. Was the fella on radio 4 who stated to the entire nation that ‘King Charles and his family should be put in a council house and that the Monarchy should be abolished’ arrested? No. If you are going to attend a funeral, any funeral, be it the Queen’s or anyone else’s and hurl abuse or hold up signs with obscenit…

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Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

#129

What fun is a monarchy if you can't have a revolution?

In order to get towards that goal, Charles III should up the ante and use his reserve powers to dissolve parliament. Would make for a good show to see what the reaction would be.

> Would make for a good show to see what the reaction would be.

Mostly supportive.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

#130

For all its faults, I love the US. I can go downtown with a sign that says "Not my president", and I may get some cheers, may get some boos. What I won't get is arrested. This is true no matter who is president. Now, if I were saying this about President Harris, say, when she came to visit Biden's body while it was lying in state, that would be deplorable taste. It would be worse if my sign criticized Biden while his…

You can do that in the UK too, just not during a funeral procession. The US has laws against protesting at the funerals of Armed Service members. If you really want to rage against something, why not the thing from your own society, instead of the thing from some other society?

Citation? I've never heard this before. I'm aware of the westboro baptist protesting at funerals of gay people or other "sinners" they don't like; they're wholly awful people. I didn't realize it was illegal to protest at a servicemember's funeral, though. Does this come out of the Vietnam war?
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