"Diverse" doesn't mean "diverse", it just means "left constituencies". Thus certain races are "racially diverse" (blacks most, whites of course least), certain income strata are "economically diverse", etc. You really can't assume words have their conventional meaning when used in a political context.
Who cares about diversity?
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
The word "woke" here is just doing the job of establishing it at "the kind of nepotism I find threatening", right? Later (The score on this is absolutely my fault for being much too casual about the point I was trying to make.)
Another reason people don't like diversity initiatives is that whenever you try to have an honest conversation about its problems, you get accused of ridiculous things, like being racist/sexist/etc or thinking nepotism is good.
Nobody thinks nepotism is good (or at least, nobody on this thread does). But there are more- and less- threatening versions of it.
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#123I care about diversity. I've been a women in stem nearly my entire life (thanks dad!). However diversity quotas, esg scores, and all the manipulation in "diversity" and "woke" today is more about incompetent children of the rich who need fake jobs that make a lot of money. I've refused to hire an english major young woman on my development team even under extreme pressure from management because she's a women, but al…
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#124I care about diversity. I've been a women in stem nearly my entire life (thanks dad!). However diversity quotas, esg scores, and all the manipulation in "diversity" and "woke" today is more about incompetent children of the rich who need fake jobs that make a lot of money. I've refused to hire an english major young woman on my development team even under extreme pressure from management because she's a women, but al…
> I've refused to hire an english major young woman on my development team even under extreme pressure from management because she's a women, but also because she's the CTO's wife's niece That's not "woke", that's just garden variety nepotism.
I've seen commentary that links the idea of elite overproduction to the rise of preoccupation with diversity within business and more generally within the culture.
That's how I took the parent's comment, anyway, and that nepotism was additionally involved in the anecdote just substantiates the elite overproduction argument.
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#125The whole blog is like this; it's all sort of comically smug "everybody else in the entire world is wrong, and here is a 7-point axiomatic derivation proving it"†, much of it depending on specific definitions of specific words. Check-mate, atheists! There are lots of good, sharp, critical things to say about the DEI movement, most especially "institutional" DEI, but you can't meaningfully say them when you write with…
I read the full piece and didn't encounter any phrasing like that. A few things were pushing the envelope, maybe? Haven't been at Uni for a long time, but after reading about the Oberlin case my eyes/ears are open.
Suppose it is problematic if the author does indulge in that, but am not going searching for it. Found this piece reasonable on the whole. It does have an opinion on intolerance, and not everyone is going to like it.
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#126I care about diversity. I've been a women in stem nearly my entire life (thanks dad!). However diversity quotas, esg scores, and all the manipulation in "diversity" and "woke" today is more about incompetent children of the rich who need fake jobs that make a lot of money. I've refused to hire an english major young woman on my development team even under extreme pressure from management because she's a women, but al…
As an example of the shoe being on the other foot, institutionalized nepotism in university is called legacy admissions and overwhelmingly benefits white applicants.
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#127Going by the definition in the referenced link, “a statement of your experience with or knowledge of inclusion, diversity, equity, and belonging efforts and your plans for incorporating them into your teaching, research, mentoring, and service.” it doesn't seem outrageous- it does force the writer to think about their past experiences and observations in regards to inclusion, diversity, and equity... which makes the…
That's a good insight, and I think being asked to think deeply about these things is also good, but I'm skeptical that this activity in this specific context really leads to any sort of honest introspection.
To me at least, it feels loaded with expectations that you answer a certain way. I mean, you are almost certainly going to be judged (or at least feel judged) based on what you write, so that undermines the incentive to be truly honest with yourself.
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#128The wealthy elites do. They want a race war instead of a class war.
And that the people in deciding roles like HR want to appear and feel like they are doing something and it is easy to do with someone else's money...
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#129The whole blog is like this; it's all sort of comically smug "everybody else in the entire world is wrong, and here is a 7-point axiomatic derivation proving it"†, much of it depending on specific definitions of specific words. Check-mate, atheists! There are lots of good, sharp, critical things to say about the DEI movement, most especially "institutional" DEI, but you can't meaningfully say them when you write with…
This sounds like the kind of thing you say when you are annoyed but cant find a good argument against the points being made.
This sounds like the kind of thing you say when you are annoyed but cant find a good argument against the points being made.
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#130Isn't the real issue behind all the names (diversity, inclusion, etc) about the equalizing of opportunity or at the very least, bringing certain oppressed groups (and, if you don't think certain groups are or have been oppressed or discriminated against, educate yourself) up the opportunity curve? Do we want to live in a world where you have less opportunity because of characteristics you were born with?
> Do we want to live in a world where you have less opportunity because of characteristics you were born with?
Stop for a second and think about what this question implies. First, there are genetic characteristics which affect opportunity and can't be smoothed out. But even environmental characteristics are intractable. Factors like whether your parents read to you, make you do your homework, or make you go to school can't be corrected by social policy. Equal opportunity isn't a realizable goal.
The focus should be on preventing discrimination. But, while there is plenty of discrimination, discrimination explains a smaller share of unequal outcomes than unequal opportunity, which can't be fixed.