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Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Post by skilled »

timellis-smith wrote: post #50
skilled wrote: post #31

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No, but by having even-handed and rational conversations we can find the best outcome and hopefully have small influence in making society incrementally better.

Society is responsible for itself. There are no written rules you inherit when you are a born. You only inherit whatever was passed down to you through your family lineage. And if that happens to be unsavory, then you as a person have to resolve that.

I am talking high-level self-development and conscious awareness not some crap imposed onto people who think they know better.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Post by cetahfh14615 »

ryeguy_24 wrote: post #54

Isn't the real issue behind all the names (diversity, inclusion, etc) about the equalizing of opportunity or at the very least, bringing certain oppressed groups (and, if you don't think certain groups are or have been oppressed or discriminated against, educate yourself) up the opportunity curve? Do we want to live in a world where you have less opportunity because of characteristics you were born with?

Finding a more commensurate representation of underrepresented groups is a laudable goal, but if it means systemically discriminating against Asians or Hispanics then it's really a tongue in cheek effort

If we assume (rightly) that american society is inherently and irredeemably racist, how exactly can we trust admissions officers or people involved in employee recruitment to make decisions that aren't racist?

Racism runs to the core of how people see each other in america, so much so that race data shouldn't be allowed into any decisions period. Or at least, people should feed inaccurate data into the system in order to subvert the white privilege that it rests apon

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Post by mcphage »

kbuchanan wrote: post #84
pwinnski wrote: post #2

It could be that the people do care about the values listed, but don't know an effective way to guarantee them, and that existing diversity statements are a stopgap measure until something better is figured out. But no, let's jump directly to "Conclusion: By and large, they don’t care about diversity. They’re just lying, in a really transparent way, because they think it gives them a patina of legal legitimacy." Or..…

He argued that if universities cared about diversity their positions on affirmative action would be more dynamic than is commonly accepted. e.g.: > Affirmative action would also apply more strongly to, say, immigrants from Iran, or Korea, or Israel, than to black people (or anyone else) from our own society. The examples he uses demonstrate that, in his mind, caring about diversity requires measuring circumstance . Y…

> their positions on affirmative action would be more dynamic than is commonly accepted

People are already trying to get affirmative action programs dismantled. Making them more complicated would lead to larger surface area, and be easier to attack.

> I don't believe the article is mere mudslinging.

The entire argument of the article is that they don't measure diversity the same way he wants them to measure diversity, and therefore they don't care about it. It never considers that schools consider it differently, or whether his method is consistent, or whether what he proposes has been considered and dismissed.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Post by kadoban »

stuckinhell wrote: post #71

I care about diversity. I've been a women in stem nearly my entire life (thanks dad!). However diversity quotas, esg scores, and all the manipulation in "diversity" and "woke" today is more about incompetent children of the rich who need fake jobs that make a lot of money. I've refused to hire an english major young woman on my development team even under extreme pressure from management because she's a women, but al…

> I've refused to hire an english major young woman on my development team even under extreme pressure from management because she's a women, but also because she's the CTO's wife's niece

That's not "woke", that's just garden variety nepotism.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Post by stuckinhell »

sokoloff wrote: post #93
stuckinhell wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't make sense in the global marketplace. A ton of american companies have Indian ceos these days.

Pick an Indian CEO of a major American company. When did they start their career? How many of their fellow Indians started in the same timeframe? (I think "a lot!") Some major tech company Indian CEOs: Sundhar Pichai (Alphabet) ~1993 Satya Nadella (Microsoft) ~1990 Parag Agrawal (Twitter) ~2011 (with PhD, but still an outlier even discounting that) Shantanu Narayen (Adobe) ~1986 Arvind Krishna (IBM) ~1990 Sanjay Mehr…

My comment was in reference to yours and the parent combined.

It should be easy to look at the C-board and find diversity because in a global economy there are tons of people with the experience as you've proved with your great example.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Post by bitmunk »

>In the academy, left-wing beliefs dominate; therefore, the affirmative action supporters would be first and foremost demanding preferences for conservatives, libertarians, moderates, fascists, monarchists, and other people who do not accept the current progressive orthodoxy.

This is simply being obtuse for the sake of flame-bating, caring about diversity is simply a shorthand for the inclusion of sectors that were and are (actually) prejudiced against. The actual "practical" usefulness of diversity is more "perhaps we should try this facial recognition software with black skin", not the PR-esque "being different is superpower".

And no, you aren't a prejudiced because you are conservative, not even when people disagree with you on Twitter. Yes, Twitter mobs are actually a thing, yes they are dangerous, no they aren't that common. It's true that American liberals are overly interested in racial injustice to the detriment of class injustice, and affirmative action could be better based on socio-economic status.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Post by lazyeye »

tptacek wrote: post #89

The whole blog is like this; it's all sort of comically smug "everybody else in the entire world is wrong, and here is a 7-point axiomatic derivation proving it"†, much of it depending on specific definitions of specific words. Check-mate, atheists! There are lots of good, sharp, critical things to say about the DEI movement, most especially "institutional" DEI, but you can't meaningfully say them when you write with…

This sounds like the kind of thing you say when you are annoyed but cant find a good argument against the points being made.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Post by croes »

stewx wrote: post #63

For an example of this, see this story about Canadian professor and laser scientist Patanjali Kambhampati who was denied for grants because his avowed commitment to mere non-discrimination and merit-based hiring was deemed insufficient. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/minority-professor-deni...

Is that a numbers game? How many people don't get jobs because of the "wrong" skin color? They don't get famous too, that's why no news site brings an article about them.

https://getd.libs.uga.edu/pdfs/harrison_matthew_s_200512_ms....

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Post by stuckinhell »

kadoban wrote: post #104
stuckinhell wrote: post #71

I care about diversity. I've been a women in stem nearly my entire life (thanks dad!). However diversity quotas, esg scores, and all the manipulation in "diversity" and "woke" today is more about incompetent children of the rich who need fake jobs that make a lot of money. I've refused to hire an english major young woman on my development team even under extreme pressure from management because she's a women, but al…

> I've refused to hire an english major young woman on my development team even under extreme pressure from management because she's a women, but also because she's the CTO's wife's niece That's not "woke", that's just garden variety nepotism.

That's the point, "woke" gives garden variety nepotism a nice shiny ESG approved cover.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Post by haunter »

The elite does. They want a race war instead of class war because they know they would lose the latter. Divide et impera has been used for more than 2000 years and it will never go away.
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