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Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by justapassenger »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #58
alexb_ wrote: post #43

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>If they start selling your data, they'll quickly eliminate the very market share that gives them such power. No they absolutely will not. 99% of Apple users do not care about privacy. And when Apple does this, those users will find excuses to why it's okay.

I share your cynicism in general but not your degree of cynicism. Apparently, when prompted by the new iOS, 96% have opted out of tracking, not 1% as your comment would suggest. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/96-of-us-users-opt-o...

Having a prompt that says "Do you want X to do this scary sounding thing? Or not, and have 0 impact on you?" is worst possible way to do any kind of informed choice.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by count »

oezi wrote: post #126
superdug wrote: post #91

Am I a realist on Apple Apologist? My primary credit card is an apple card, primary dev machine is a mbp, primary work machine iPad, phone iPhone, watch Apple, and I have air tags attached to my dogs and wallet. In this ecosystem, I can reference _ANY_ of my screens for necessary and current relevant information whether it be curated or automated without breaking a glance to whatever primary device the content came f…

As a Android user who is lured by the appeal of the Apple Watch and the long update availability, I have recently found that the wall of the garden has gotten so high that it is harder to get in than thought: - there is no way to migrate messages from Signal messenger from Android to iOS - there is no way to synchronize Opera bookmarks from Android to iOS - SwiftKey keyboard can't sync my Android settings to iOS I mi…

The first rule of the walled garden is you play with Tim apples toys only.

Signal, Opera and SwiftKey are 'guest' species inside the garden.

(no, really, the apple experience is BY FAR better when you just use apple's stuff).

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by dsr_ »

guywithahat wrote: post #155
Hamcha wrote: post #149

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Competition is great, especially when it breaks oligopolies, I just hope stuff like the Digital Markets Act will manage to stop them from abusing their positions to make their solution a monopoly

Kind of like how the only thing net neutrality did was prevent t-mobile from creating Netflix unlimited fast lanes? Or how all those bills states signed into law to encourage high speed networks not only didn't create high speed networks, but legally preventing other companies from competing? The more this gets legislated the harder it will be for someone to enter the market later on, Apple (among other tech giants)…

"the only thing {the threat of} net neutrality"

Note that net neutrality has never been passed as a Federal regulation.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by Applejinx »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #141
robszumski wrote: post #68

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I'm not sure what happened but Dark Sky went from awesome to awful in recent months after the Apple acquisition. Is it just me? Going from "no rain all day" to actively raining with a huge storm 2 hours later. The app does update with this info, but very close to the actual storm.

This has been happening across nearly every weather source I've been using. My hypothesis is either: * Climate change is causing problems with forecasting models * Forecasting models changed, which has introduce unexpected edge cases

The former is going to be literally true on the grounds that climate change is increasing chaos in the system, hence unpredictability increases strikingly.

I'm not sure this happens on the time scale of 'app got acquired', though. It's absolutely going to increase year by year, and if you'd got used to how it was three years ago and didn't notice some of the outlier events, you might be shocked at the new normal.

Climate change absolutely will cause problems with any conceivable forecasting model because you can't encapsulate chaos, only map its expected potential outcomes: and the nasty truth is that energy is fed into the system, those potential outcomes blow up exponentially. Not even slightly linear. So that's what we're seeing.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by anotherOneSound »

gumby wrote: post #151
gnicholas wrote: post #31

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Their new weather forecasting service is also intriguing. They will soon have millions of thermometer-equipped Apple Watches in the world (IIRC the Series 8 and AWU will have these), allowing them to create an incredibly detailed mapping of temperatures around the world (or at least places where people can afford expensive watches...).

Those watches measure the temperature at the underside of the device, i.e. the temperature of the wearer not the air . And that data they claim stays on your phone, not in their cloud.

why would THEY pay to store YOUR biometric data when YOU could store it for THEM!

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by dpicco »

gumby wrote: post #151
gnicholas wrote: post #31

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Their new weather forecasting service is also intriguing. They will soon have millions of thermometer-equipped Apple Watches in the world (IIRC the Series 8 and AWU will have these), allowing them to create an incredibly detailed mapping of temperatures around the world (or at least places where people can afford expensive watches...).

Those watches measure the temperature at the underside of the device, i.e. the temperature of the wearer not the air . And that data they claim stays on your phone, not in their cloud.

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Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by ccouzens »

pwinnski wrote: post #134
arkitaip wrote: post #23

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I hope they go down that route and get utterly demolished by the courts for disabling the competition in favor of their own ad network.

You get that ads can exist without invasive personal targeting, right? Ads used to be based on the location in which they were shown, rather than the person to whom they were shown. That's still an option for Facebook and Google, and there's no evidence Apple plans to do anything else.

> Refine your audience.

> Reach new customers or reengage the customers who know you. You can also refine your audience by gender, age, and location.

https://searchads.apple.com/advanced

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by anotherOneSound »

gnicholas wrote: post #31
traceroute66 wrote: post #5

Honestly, for anyone who watches Apple close enough, this isn't news. Its clear Apple are heading down the disruptive disintermediation route. Look at the Air Tag. Effectively killing off competitors by making use of the global network of Apple devices. Look at their recent BNPL (buy now, pay later) announcement for example. Managing the whole caboodle, including the finance itself, entirely internally. Or look at th…

Their new weather forecasting service is also intriguing. They will soon have millions of thermometer-equipped Apple Watches in the world (IIRC the Series 8 and AWU will have these), allowing them to create an incredibly detailed mapping of temperatures around the world (or at least places where people can afford expensive watches...).

there is a lot of money [1] in harvesting location data from weather apps. apple wants that revenue [1]https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/09/30/theres-a-multibilli...

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by labcomputer »

com2kid wrote: post #139
b3morales wrote: post #80

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Not so sure about this. There's going to be a ton of noise in this data from an outsider POV. At an absolute minimum, for this to be usable as weather data they will have to determine when it's measuring the actual outside weather, as opposed to the indoor, or in-car/-bus/-train temperature.

> At an absolute minimum, for this to be usable as weather data they will have to determine when it's measuring the actual outside weather, Does Apple Watch have a light sensor for an auto dimming display? If so, that can be used as a proxy for indoor/outdoor. It isn't great, shade and such. Throw barometer in there, and you can do a decent job. Microsoft Band had a UV sensor, so we were able to get pretty accurate d…

I don't see this working effectively. A UV sensor is great during daytime, but what about at night?

Then, you still have to account for the fact that your thermometer is located right next to a variable ~100W heater, vs. normal weather stations that are normally located away from heat sources. Also, the thermometer and heater are occasionally placed inside a tight-fitting insulated container.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by bombcar »

Applejinx wrote: post #164
SkyPuncher wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been happening across nearly every weather source I've been using. My hypothesis is either: * Climate change is causing problems with forecasting models * Forecasting models changed, which has introduce unexpected edge cases

The former is going to be literally true on the grounds that climate change is increasing chaos in the system, hence unpredictability increases strikingly. I'm not sure this happens on the time scale of 'app got acquired', though. It's absolutely going to increase year by year, and if you'd got used to how it was three years ago and didn't notice some of the outlier events, you might be shocked at the new normal. Cli…

I've noticed that the "rain starting in your area" alerts are close to correct - and spot-on for the local airport.

So I'd not be surprised if they somehow switched their data source to be not as granular as it once was.

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