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Re: Online art communities begin banning AI-generated images

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I agree that images only through AI should be removed from art sites. The issue with AI art is that the only human contribution in those pieces is the creation of the prompt and the curation of the final image. Without sensory and experiential inputs of its own, AI can only interpolate between real images and styles. So an AI generated image doesn't add much artistic value since its not expressing any new deep truth…

> any new deep truth

What is a 'truth' in art. Also, what is a 'deep truth' specifically.

> factual understanding of the real world

Can you name me a few factual understandings that art has brought.

Re: Online art communities begin banning AI-generated images

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The problem I see here is that ML-generated art may be based on real art. While human painter may repeat style of fragments of work of other artist as homage, computer software does it more as plagiarism. This isn't much different than issues surrounding Microsoft GitHub Copilot.

And neither would constitute as plagiarism by the legal definition of it. Yes, it's a problem that they are trained on material without consent but what they produce is something totally new and not even close to plagiarism.

Re: Online art communities begin banning AI-generated images

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They should also ban creating digital art, as digital art takes less effort than paper.

I don't think that's really fair... I can see the argument for removing AI generated stuff in part because it doesn't require technical artistic skill (whereas digital art still does, in your ability to observe, draw with perspective, etc.)

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It's going to be interesting to see how this is going to get enforced in the likely future in which AI art becomes in every way indistinguishable from human art.

In the future we'll hire blade runners to find and destroy AI art

Re: Online art communities begin banning AI-generated images

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post #13

I agree that images only through AI should be removed from art sites. The issue with AI art is that the only human contribution in those pieces is the creation of the prompt and the curation of the final image. Without sensory and experiential inputs of its own, AI can only interpolate between real images and styles. So an AI generated image doesn't add much artistic value since its not expressing any new deep truth…

And how do you define artistic value? If you don't even know if an image is generated by an AI or not, what is lost?

People who are precious about art will keep defining it away from anything that upsets them.

Re: Online art communities begin banning AI-generated images

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Challenge accepted. How will they know?

With the models that are available for public use today, there are still usually signs, particularly when it comes to drawings of humans.

Sounds like a good opportunity for an "AI image detection"-as-a-Service.

Re: Online art communities begin banning AI-generated images

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I have a degree in Studio Arts in addition to being a software developer (and recently I've started making a lot of creative work with AI). Back when I was in school, there was already plenty of debate about 'what is "Art"'? It's always been hotly contested. Most of my teachers felt that 'technique' was not Art. Others were more purists – life painters, etc – and felt that, no, technique is art.

Duchamp poked the art establishment in the eye with his 'readymades' (urinals on the gallery wall, etc.) Warhol with his 'factory' making silkscreens.

The 'reverse Monet' (too lazy to link) that caused such an uproar when it was shared last week was ironic – apparently people aren't aware that the impressionists themselves were considered 'not artists' by a lot of people at the time.

The camera and photography made many painters sit up and say, 'hey, it can't just be about "image" anymore' – enter abstract expressionism, fauvism, cubism, etc. Work that shifted the focus from the image represented in the painting ('a window into a world') onto the surface of the canvas itself: Rothko, Albers, etc.

The thing is, people have wild misconceptions about what this technology does. Many clearly think it's a photocopier. As if StableDiffusion is hiding copies of all these works inside. When in fact what's been done is to take all of this online knowledge and create an incredible new tool with it. Like a music synthesizer times a million.

It's understandable why this technology makes people uncomfortable. There are legit fears about displacement, economic uncertainty, etc. But we are fundamentally tool makers – it's arguably intrinsically part of what makes us human (borrowing from Carl Sagan's "Dragons of Eden").

If I were back in the art department last century, I'm pretty sure we'd be really excitedly discussing how these new tools will enable entirely new forms of expression. And sure, there'd be the old guard saying it was awful, and 'not Art'.

This is a really interesting debate – I just wish it scratched deeper than the surface more often than it does, with a bit more historical context.

Re: Online art communities begin banning AI-generated images

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It's going to be interesting to see how this is going to get enforced in the likely future in which AI art becomes in every way indistinguishable from human art.

They can just focus on obvious cases: people that upload new images at an astounding rate, people who forget to remove the AI watermarks, and people who simply admit to using AI. No need to turn it into a witch hunt where you accuse everyone of using AI.

It will 100% turn into a constant witch hunt - I can absolutely promise it.

Want an easy reference? See First Person Shooter games.

Turns out that once the computer can mostly do the job, you will see:

1. Constant use of the computer for that job

2. Constant accusations of using the computer in places that restrict it.

See basically every online FPS community that exists. And that's with incredibly invasive software running on player machines explicitly to stop them from using the computer to play - and People both still do it (in HUGE numbers), and the communities constantly bitch about the "rampant cheating".

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